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Mgassel -
he was pointing out that you can fill out the logbook at the end of your rest period when you actually go back to work.

Psanderson - yeah, the problem is (re "sitting in the driver's seat = on duty") it seems to be a fairly common interpretation. Never happened to me, but my trainer said it happened to him

He also had a state DOT at a scale demand logs going back 30 days (I was there for that). I told my trainer that he could be held accountable for only the past 8 days (including today), but he - reasonably - opted to discount the word of a newbie. Nothing came of it, but it did tie us up at the scale for an hour.

 

But the one thing that would affect the driver is if he was on a 10 hour break and he woke up after 5 hours into his break to go in and get coffee and the officer wanted to inspect him the driver would then have to log line 4 which would interrupt the 10 hour break.

That wouldn't really be fair in a drivers case I don't think.
I would myself deal with it and show the officer the log book hoping he tells me everything is fine and he doesn't make a note of the stop so I don't have to log it but I don't see that happening either. That would be a little frustrating.

I wonder however if the officer noticed him just pulling in and asked him for the log book?

I know its legal for you to this don't get me wrong but not really fair

 

Oh I just read this sorry, same thing I was getting at in what I posted above. Grrr I gotta remember to read them all first and then reply. l.o.l.

 

He was a strict one huh

 

I have seen officers write drivers up for violations back 2 weeks and there isn't much you can do about it. They can't fine the driver over the violations though from what I understand. I wondered about that myself. PSANderson what's the deal on officers doing this to the driver?

 

They can actually write a violation on the first day of the month on the last day of the month if you are unlucky to give them the logs.

 

I was told the same thing by a Texas DOT lady a few years back, that they could write you up for something that you logged/didn't log before midnite last nite, but they couldn't fine you for it.
Doesn't make any sense to me. With that reasoning, I can run 24 hours straight, as long as I get passed midnite before I get caught?

 

Depends on what that particular states laws/rules are/were and how much discretionary power the cop has/had. Michigan and some other states also admitted they have/had a quota system as well. Usually though the rookie state cop was an A..hole & no breaks because his/her head was swollen twice normal size once he/she put on that badge. The smart ones wised up though.

From the federal perspective I could go back 2-years during a compliance review (company audit)....you'd be surprised how many carriers keep logs longer than 6-months for income tax purposes. If I were inspecting at a state scale (we had to do that at least 3 times per year) I personally would only go back 48-hours for civil penalty issuance unless the driver was an A..hole or there was a sign on the back of the trailer that said something like "show me your teets". Most times these big refer tractors with a sleeper the size of an apartment were always good ones too for HOS....auto parts carriers too.......then look out Snoopy....those irritated me! Federal agents had very broad discretionary powers, however we were required to cite any major HOS rules......minimum $200.00 on a sliding scale Re. the seriousness of the violation B-4 you left the scale plus any O/O/S time involved. I'd also come back later to see if the driver violated the O/O/S/ order. Then look out Snoopy! Then we'd look up the carrier with the bad driver on SAFER & that could also give us an idea as to what motor carriers to investigate further.

P.S. We accepted Com-Checks

 

I had a State DOT at a scale ask for my logs. He got 7 days +1. He then said "No, I want all of them".. I told him I'd mailed them home a few days ago. If he was willing to pay for it, I'd get my wife to fax them as soon as she got home from work.

He (older guy, oddly) started throwing a snit, but his Sgt (much younger) came over and put the kabosh on it.

If the inspector had started out displaying at least common courtesy (reminded me of a gouche Beaufort T. Justice) I'd probably been happy to hand him all the logs I had - about 3 months worth - in the back of the truck. Being a jerkwad, he got the bare minimum I was required to provide.

 

WTH was his problem? 7+1 is in the reg.
what a D*ck.....