26,000 lb. Regulations

Discussion in 'Ask An Owner Operator' started by Dino soar, Dec 8, 2017.

  1. Dino soar

    Dino soar Road Train Member

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    I have been looking into this and I think that any confusion is because the regulations apply to a broad area.

    One part of the regulations deal with Goods transported interstate with For Hire trucks.

    Another part of the regulation is about for-profit or commercial. I certainly fit into the commercial part of it, although a CDL is not required for this combination. Even so, there are federal regulations that I have to follow since it is a for-profit Enterprise.

    I think that the not for hire simply means that I'm not going to haul anyone else's Goods, so I am not subject to the regulations regarding Authority or any of those rules, or Federal liability coverage rules. It is also a non CDL setup so the actual CDL license rules don't apply to me, although I have had a class A for many years.

    So I would need to know what the rules are for a Not For Hire truck and trailer that is for commercial gain that is non CDL that travels interstate.
     
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  3. Accidental Trucker

    Accidental Trucker Road Train Member

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    In short, you still need everything associated with a commercial trucking operation -- just not the CDL part. So you can skip the driver file and the drug testing.

    Since you are commercial over 10K across state lines, you need all the HOS requirements (including ELD!), maintenance program (including annual DOT), HVUT, UCR and MCS-150.

    Now, IFTA and IRP gets interesting. Most states (you suck, NV and AZ) exempt vehicles under 26,000 GVW. Don't know about 26,000 PLUS a trailer!

    What did I miss, guys?
     
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  4. Bobk

    Bobk Light Load Member

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    Well considering he said "running Pa Nj and Del" also in his original post he clearly states he's using his truck and trailer for personal use...
    I'm not sure what to reply any further.
    Dino when you decide what your using your truck for. Then what you should is,
    Call the feds yourself or perhaps look up on their website. This is a forum where you will get a guy or two who know what their talking about and the rest think they know what their talking about. Go find yourself the right answers straight from the source. It sounds like to me you're not to sure yourself, on what it is you are really looking to do. Re-read your original post..... then go ask the people who actually right the laws.
     
  5. Ridgeline

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    Anything you do that derives any revenue to make a living where you buy, sell or service the public in any way is commercial. The vehicle is a tool, it isn't a personal vehicle and this is where people get lost about it. No grey area, not confusing or anything like that.

    If your truck, pickup or car is over 10k gvw and used in a commercial venture in any way shape or form, then you have to abide by the state's laws, if it crosses the state line, it now is subject to the fmcsa regulations and logging is required.
     
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  6. Dino soar

    Dino soar Road Train Member

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    I think my questions have really been answered.

    I have a non CDL setup that I have to abide by the laws except for drug testing and driver file.

    It is definitely commercial and not personal. No doubt about it.

    I will check with DOT, but I definitely need to have a DOT number, apportioned tags, log book, ifta, ucr
    (which I did check the website and absolutely a for-profit private carrier not for hire needs UCR), The Whole Nine Yards just like anyone else except it's non-cdl.

    Thank you guys for all the replies, I've learned a lot.

    The only real question left is about insurance.

    What insurance limits are needed for a non CDL not for hire carrier, 26000 GVW that travels interstate?
     
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  8. Bobk

    Bobk Light Load Member

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    You won't need ifta or apportioned tags..
    Are you registered in Pa?
     
  9. Dino soar

    Dino soar Road Train Member

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    I'm really not sure about ifta or apportioned tags. I'm going to call my local DOT guy and see what he has to say about it and what exact regulations I need to follow. He should be able to help.
     
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  11. Ojata83

    Ojata83 Bobtail Member

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    Does it matter if my truck is dual tire pick up or single , still if I’m under 26000lbs gross I don’t need CDL ?
     
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