First Time Owner/Op Needs Purchase Advice!!

Discussion in 'Ask An Owner Operator' started by BandBSowards28, Feb 27, 2018.

  1. BandBSowards28

    BandBSowards28 Bobtail Member

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    I see what you mean and thank you for the thoughtful reply. I don’t live in CA but will truck through there (unfortunately) on a somewhat regular basis.

    I also have to look at my insurance and financing. I get financial benefits through my insurance for driving a “newer” truck (4-5 years old). Also, I can get a killer percentage on my loan to finance this purchase as long as I purchase a truck 2011 or newer. Anything older and my rate/monthly premium goes up.

    I’m definitely trying to do all of the research I can before buying, but in the end I know I’m going to wind up in the same spot I’m in now where I’m looking at 2013/14/15 trucks nearing 500K...

    My dad has over 40 yrs experience driving and swears by CATs. Problem is, they’re impossible to find in anything in the years I need since CAT got out of the business of cranking out big rig motors. I’ve asked his advice but I have to take what he says with a grain of salt because he’s a CAT/Pete guy and NOTHING else is even worthy of his attention, haha!
     
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  3. HalpinUout

    HalpinUout Road Train Member

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    Did you have a Dyno done on the truck? Or have the Valve cover removed and inspect? What company had it before? You keep saying the company maintained it but just about everyone knows "fleet maintained" is laughable...
     
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  4. BandBSowards28

    BandBSowards28 Bobtail Member

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    Here are some terms I’ve not heard before. This is exactly why I inquired here. What is a Dyno? Is that slang for diagnostic? No, I did not have the valve cover removed and inspected. Triple L ran them before. They’re a small to moderate family trucking outfit. I’ve contacted two different guys at their place and kinda grilled them on this truck. You’re right about fleet maintained though. And I’m sure it was driven hard by some driver who couldn’t care less about its condition...

    I’ve been looking for an owner/op who is selling but they’re either out of my price range or way too far away to even go take a look at.
     
  5. Jilani

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    They say if you don’t have enough money in the bank to get inframe done (20-30k) you shouldn’t be looking into o/o
     
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  6. Dino soar

    Dino soar Road Train Member

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    Have you thought about looking at an older truck that someone really kept up with?

    Sometimes I see older trucks that have reman engines with low miles and the rears have been gone over, etc etc.

    Your monthly rate may increase because it's an older truck, but the total amount for the loan would be less. So maybe you could pay it off sooner and cut down the interest and save even more.

    New and newer trucks really stink. I would imagine they put a lot of guys under or close to it. There is enough expense in trucking already without all of that stupid nonsense.
     
  7. Oldironfan

    Oldironfan Road Train Member

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    Honestly the only solid advice I can think of is learn to use wrenches and stuff or your throwing money away that you need. And buy diagnostic tools like a toughbook just for diesel engines $1000 approx. Than you need Cummins insite to read the even than communicate to you laptop. And learn the emissions system as those are what break most often, and lead to early engine failure. I'm no tech or mechanic just a driver who reads as much as possible in my spare time.
    Are you ready for the fun to begin?
     
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  8. Ridgeline

    Ridgeline Road Train Member

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    I wonder about this in the first post ---->>> Lifetime 7.1 mpg on the truck.

    It seems you are treating this like buying a car, get rid of all the crap you think you know about the truck.

    Here is how to buy it -

    Get the VIN and go to the nearest dealer and have them pull up any repair records that were done, the original order for the truck and any recalls that were issued.

    Get a copy of the maintenance records and go through them. Look for things like long times between PM and so on.

    Get a dyno with blowby, this tests two things -

    1 - the condition of the rings by the amount of pressure built up inside the engine - the blowby part.

    2 - the percentage of the rated horse power that is produced, this is key to understand if there are other issues with it like a fuel system issue.

    Get the ECM dump, this is a lot of pages, DO NOT GET A SUMMARY.

    Compare the clock (odometer) and the ecm mileage, you will also see the settings of the ecm and the hours idled and so on.

    Get an Oil Analysis on the engine (oil and coolant), trans and axles (I also do hubs). Have that done by a reputable company - I recommend Blackstone. Look for problems with

    Find a good mechanic who will tell you the truth, tell him to find things wrong. When he comes up with a list, then get a figure on repairing these by the dealer - not the same mechanic.

    WHEN you have the list of things to be FIXED and the costs, subtract that from the asking price and summarize it to discuss with the owner to negotiate a price.

    I also recommend you read this post and the link within that post.

    First truck purchase?? Advice
     
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  9. BandBSowards28

    BandBSowards28 Bobtail Member

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    Valid points. I have looked into older, well maintained trucks, but haven’t had any luck with them yet. What I mean by that is the o/o is either wanting an amount above what I can afford, or the trucks are several states from me and I can’t even go take a look at them. I’m not willing to purchase a truck that I’ve never even set foot in before.

    I’m also looking to get the best MPG I can. I know that a lot of that depends on how the truck is driven and what/where I’m hauling. But most of the older trucks have zero aerodynamics and the ones I’ve seen are specked out as though I’m going to be hauling extremely heavy loads, haha! I just need something that will consistently pull 26k-36k loads over a few mountain passes and back. I don’t need something with 550-600 horses and a 3.73+ ratio. For me, I’d just be wasting fuel.

    I completely agree with purchasing one of them that has been well taken care of over a newer truck though. I just have to find one within a reasonable distance from myself that also will fit my needs as far as specs are concerned.
     
  10. BandBSowards28

    BandBSowards28 Bobtail Member

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    Love this advice! Thank you for it!
     
  11. BandBSowards28

    BandBSowards28 Bobtail Member

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    As far as Balckstone goes, do I just order their test kits and then get samples of the fluids you mentioned myself?
     
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