Maverick and my DAC

Discussion in 'Report A BAD Trucking Company Here' started by Faber, Dec 19, 2008.

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  1. notarps4me

    notarps4me Road Train Member

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    I am not saying maverick is perfect. I am saying I have worked for companies that are a lot worse. Last year I talked with a mav driver that had been involved in a fatality accident. He is still with them. The point is they don't just get rid of someone who has been involved in a incident, but when the incidents keep repeating themselves all co's that I know will let someone go. There comes a point when companies will say this person is too much of a liability.
    I myself do not think very much of DAC. Trying to remember how it works, but if I remember right DAC pays a company 2 or 3 bucks for every prescribed co that submits a report on a driver. Then DAC used to charge the driver 8 or 9 bucks to get the report. Now you can get a free report once a year or more often if you qualify.

    I am sorry you lost your job. I hate to hear that anyone loses a job that has a family to support. What I am saying is if it were a differnt co, say TMC. If you had 5 incidents with them and damaged one of those shiny pete's how many times are they going to let you bang it up? That does not make them a bad co. I have heard drivers say with them they had a $50 item per incident. If you hit a curb and damaged a wheel and damaged a tire they would hit you for 50 bucks for the tire and 50 bucks for the wheel. I am not sure about this as I was told that, but the point is companies will not let repeated incidents keep piling up.
    Now since you like my analogies if you were a new doctor and you had 5 patients that died on the table by something you did. Would the clinic say well; he is new, he will get better or say we need to fix this problem before it gets out of hand?

    I have tried to call that guy I was telling you about that lives in your state. His cell has been dis-connected. That is why I have not got the name of the company he went to for you. I do hear from a former mav driver that had hit a few items. The last one was a pick up truck. He also blew his tire from hitting a curb and had some other damage. I think his record is worse that yours. He got hired by SMX. He said they are better than western x who owns them. You might try there. He has to stay out 2 weeks at a time, but he likes them. Said they dead headed him 600 miles to go home last week and they do not complain about OOR miles on a run. I wish you well and hope things work out for you. The only thing I am saying is mav has been the best co out of the half a dozen that I have worked for.
     
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  3. Faber

    Faber Medium Load Member

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    I agree, they are a good company. Though my feeling that way is based on the people who work there, not their policies. As far as your friend that hit cars....by the way that Mav. worded my DAC- I may as well gone out and hit 5 parked cars myself- rather then scrape up a bumper.
    I also propose to you that if my 'safety/liability' were of a concern they would not have waited months after my last incident to terminate.....at a time when they were terminating a group of drivers avoiding layoffs.
    It seems that really is no argument here....I understand the seperation of employment, it is the big picture and the nature of it I disagree with.
    More importantly then that I didn't write all this to 'whine' and please don't 'be sorry I lost my job'.....as I can handle my own and after all this am not sorry I lost it at all. I'd prefer things this way....it is a different view on the other side of the door looking back at things I was never told about and undertaning things that I and they could have done different.
    My preference is simply to state what occured, give my opionion and be grateful for the opionion of others (certainly including yourself) and hope that future employees there (most certainly at the same knowledge level I had) and future drivers in general have a better understanding of how the industry works.
    Thank you (and I mean that) for trying to contact your friend, and for you opionions on this thread....I believe them to be invaluable addition for those considering all that has been stated here to cosider.
    I'm already grateful that at least one rookie himself has chosen to reconsider his own actions and decisions to better his future.
     
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    bigblue19 Road Train Member

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    There comes a point when companies will say this person is too much of a liability.

    Yep, which in my case was after my first accident. From 1990 to 2004 I had 0 accidents 0 incidents 0 log book violations 2 minor moving violations. IDC estimated a 10k payout which was actually when all said and done $4200 and their was no damage to the tractor (The other vehicle hit the tire carrier on the trailer).

    All I am saying is that NO driver should think that they will get a second chance after a accident of any kind. And no one will convince me that Marten, a carrier which doesn't even let their trucks chain is going to keep someone on who caused a fatality in a CMV.


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  5. GATROR06

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    In this case I have to go with Mav. You Had the accidents that in the end cost that company money. So there for they are not out of line for posting the things they did.

    I will say this. The DAC is a very powerful weapon that is "unfairly used" What I mean by that is its a weapon thats one sided! In some companies it is up to the DM what is put onto your DAC. In many many many cases DM are using this to settle there "personal agendas" Its not fair that something so powerfull (as this single report controls most of our careers) Is a one sided story.

    Here is how DAC should work! A company files negative and potentialy career ending information with USIS (DAC) USIS should send notice to that driver and give him 30 days to reply and appeal. If the driver Disagrees with the information and states that it is "untrue" or not the "complete" story then there should be a scheduled hearing. Have a confrence call with all the parties involved. USIS should have the responsibility to hear both sides of the story before posting any negative information. I can not for the life of me figure why something so important is one sided!!

    As for our original poster on this topic, If I was you I would start contacting other companies that also hire rookies and ask to be hired as a Trainie. I know your thinking that you have experience and you do but getting a company to hire you as a newB and going through what would probably only be a few weeks of training with a trainer would be much better then sitting at home with no real chance for a good company to pick you up.

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  6. Faber

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    I'm stepping out of this thread as I feel I've said all I have to say.
    I certainly encourage anyone to post anything further useful for a 'newb' to understand the inner workings of the industry. I hope that this finds its way to anyone who can benifit from the knowledge contained in it. Not just as a potential employee at Maverick but going into the trucking industry in general. For me to comment further is just to dwindle and repeat things I've already stated.
    We're all adults and can tell the difference between facts and opionions. So to anyone who is inexperienced/entering the industry please utilize this and gain any benificial knowledge that you can from it. Decifering and taking away whatever opionons and facts from whomever that are useful to your situation.

    Knowledge and experience really are power and now courtesy of the other posters on here and my own mistakes and lack of knowledge and the outcome there of, maybe a rookie or two can add this to the list of info. they pick up and utilize on their way in.

    I'd like to throw in that this is a great web site with helpful people, and one would do well to hang around and learn from it.....including myself.

    I do want to add that Maverick has it's many many good points, but they aren't hard to hear about....as with any company there are ups/downs and I encourage anyone to work there....now just do it with a better understanding of how things work....most likely there or anywhere.

    I appreciate people's advice for my personal case, I will be fine, thank you.

    If anyone has something to say to me....please refrence it to me and I'll reply.
    Notarps....your the #### man, and of good nature....I appreciate your thoughts.
     
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  7. sewerman

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    if you hit my truck 5 times . first two on you. last 3 on me four keeping you .just my two cents.


    I AM A FLATBEDDER, I TRAVEL WITH ALL EQUIPMENT NECCESSARY. CHAINS (FOR THE UNRULEY ONES), STRAPS (FOR THE SEMI-UNRULEY ONES),...
     
  8. Faber

    Faber Medium Load Member

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    agreed, though i think you missed the point....
     
  9. Faber

    Faber Medium Load Member

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    Maybe it's necessary to say this again;
    "My preference is simply to state what occured, give my opionion and be grateful for the opionion of others (certainly including yourself) and hope that future employees there (most certainly at the same knowledge level I had) and future drivers in general have a better understanding of how the industry works."

    As far as I'm concerned, it takes allot of guts to go out in public, admit my faults, and be judged....

    Hoperfully this will help those new to the industry understand;
    (we'll use bullet points)
    -dac and how it works
    -how dac can affect them and to what extent, regardless of severity of
    their 'inccidents/accidents'
    - results of mistakes that they can learn from me without having to make themselves
    -how they can expect an employer (certainly/obviously) including Mav. to treat/use their dac in response to their as a drivers mistakes/honesty level (no I'm not condoning lying)
    -the type of treatment they can expect in general
    -give them an overall better understanding of dac and how it effects future employment....as I know certainly noone explained dac to me at any point, I learned about it after getting canned
    -anything else they can learn from my experience and use to benifit their future as a driver

    So thanks for your 2 cents....
     
  10. ollietoo

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    Faber, I think the problem you are having with getting your point across is the title of the thread. There are some people on this board that refuse to let anyone make a negative statement about Maverick. If the title had been something like “Newbie beware of DAC”, the people who have responded wouldn’t have felt it necessary to point out your shortcomings.

    The long and short of it is: Federal Regulations require that ALL employees of a motor carrier be knowledgeable of the HOS rules, but most dispatchers and FMs do not understand the importance of them. It is the Driver’s career that is on the line, and it is up to him/her to inform the dispatcher or FM if a delivery time is impossible. As a rookie, I nearly fell into the trap of assuming they knew what they were doing when I was given impossible delivery schedules. I was fortunate. I have a wife that has made a career of reading and understanding federal regulations, so she learned the HOS rules inside out, and helped me with trip planning in the beginning.

    Dispatchers and FMs are simply trying to move freight from point A to point B as quickly as possible, with income being the bottom line. The Driver is not a walking, talking, breathing human being. He/she is simply a means to an end. They will frown, argue and push when the Driver states a delivery time is impossible. But in the end, it is not their career that will be affected by the careless mistakes made when trying to do the impossible.

    So, Newbie beware of your dispatchers and FMs, as well. They do not know the HOS rules, so don’t let them push you into something that you know you can’t legally do. When you are tired or racing against an impossible deadline, you can make mistakes. Those mistakes can cost you your job, as well as your future career. Carriers can and will report all to DAC. Some of the mistakes that will reported to DAC are: accidents/incidents, violation of the 11/14/70 hour rules, log violations, driving while ill or fatigued, and moving violations.

    When you are researching a company, make it a point to check their SafeStat scores:


    On the Driver tab, check the Driver SEA score. For example:

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    Then run the OOS Violation Summary report:

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    If you see a lot of HOS violations, chances are the dispatchers are pushing drivers to make impossible delivery times.

    If the dispatchers and FMs understand the HOS rules, it is possible to keep the HOS violations at a minimum. Here is an example of a different carrier. This carrier has almost 5,000 more drivers than the carrier in the above example, yet has fewer HOS violations:

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    While Driver violations do affect the carrier’s SafeStat score, it rarely causes a carrier to loose their Authority. However, the same violations can cause a Driver to loose his/her job and become unemployable as a Driver again.

    So, Newbies, learn the HOS rules. Don’t be pushed into violating them for the sake of making an impossible delivery time. I think that is the lesson Faber wants you to learn.

    I am a former Maverick Driver. I left on my own after one year. Maverick didn’t report any HOS violations or accidents to DAC. I am NOT making negative statements about Maverick – simply carriers in general.
     
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  11. Faber

    Faber Medium Load Member

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    :yes2557:ollie that is ####### beautiful, I've now bookmarked my own thread as I'm learning from you.....thank you.
    -as for the name, it is the only company i can speak from, and if im gonna give facts/opionions/and advice....i figured it'd better be about what I know. all I know is the experience I've had with them. BUT ...I can see exactly what your saying.
    -I hope this reaches anyone that can benifit from it.
    Man I gotta go back and check out your stuff again......very nice. THANK YOU.:yes2557:
     
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