Have ELDs Ended the 700 mpd Expectation?

Discussion in 'ELD Forum | Questions, Answers and Reviews' started by tlalokay, Jun 11, 2018.

  1. tlalokay

    tlalokay Medium Load Member

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    Greetings brother truckers,

    I have never understood the expectation that CMV drivers can average 700 miles per day, unless they are working purely repowers or D&Hs. Still, it seems some brokers and employers are stubbornly sticking to this expectation for live load/offload, dry van drivers.

    Even IF that expectation was founded during the paper-log era, shouldn't ELD requirements effectively eliminate this expectation?

    What say you?
     
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  3. Bank_Lbr

    Bank_Lbr Light Load Member

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    That would be an HOS issue. ELD is built around the Regs. Moral of the story: Y'all need a "pause button" for the 14.
     
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  4. 25(2)+2

    25(2)+2 Trucker Forum STAFF Staff Member

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    Ended nothing, it can be done, still.
     
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  5. tlalokay

    tlalokay Medium Load Member

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    The question is "how" to average 700 miles per day under typical circumstances. By typical, I mean several 4+ hour live load/offloads per week, mountains, traffic, weather, lower speed limits, repairs, etc.

    Give me an ungoverned truck, with a full clock of drive time, on a Nebraska highway, without inclement weather- anyone with a right foot can do 700 miles.

    Put me in something with a top speed of 65 mph with 48,000 lbs going through mountains with a 4-5 hour live load/offload the same day. It's not happening.
     
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    25(2)+2 Trucker Forum STAFF Staff Member

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    If it wasn't legal before, it wasn't legal. I did a day, in the midst of a run through PA to Brooklyn, heavy enough, and ran over 12 hours in the 24 with required breaks and covered 780 plus, the trip started late on t he first day, and finished early the 3rd. Nothing I hadn't done before, with paper, legally.

    Now, I grant, the touchscreen is a pain, but it's not impossible to turn out big days when needed, and the eld crap about everyone on paper being illegal is crap.

    Mountain days in an underpowered truck will be less miles, heck, even a real good running truck will not always allow it.

    Now, I have another scenario, we run captive, meaning the front haul is loaded, and we sometimes deadhead a long way to get back, the front haul is the main objective. Shorter hauls of less than a day.out often go home empty for us. We sometimes do a pallet or several, too, so getting loaded and unloaded isnt moving heaven and earth. Sometimes the backhaul goes back home, we receive and ship freight. So we can have good miles more often than a totally irregular route driver.
     
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  7. Triple Digit Bullhauler

    Triple Digit Bullhauler Heavy Load Member

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    If you average 70 mph divided by 700 miles = 10 hrs driving time. In the western states where speed limits are higher it can be done all day long. Even at 65 mph = 10.7 hrs driving time. One must keep that left habd door closed and drive. Not stop at every truck stop/ fast food place, or so forth.
     
  8. tlalokay

    tlalokay Medium Load Member

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    Let me rephrase the question:

    Who here is comfortable contractually obligating themselves to average 700 miles per day in order to meet a set appointment for any given load so that if you were to miss this appointment time there would be costs and deductions?
     
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  9. Triple Digit Bullhauler

    Triple Digit Bullhauler Heavy Load Member

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    I have and will do it. It is not about the company, or their contracts with S & R request. Even when i was a company driver i would do 700 miles a day. As the speed limits have increased in most states, it has made it easier to do 700 mpd. One must be well aware of the mathematics to how to calculate such information to obtain the knowledge as to how many miles one can do in a day.
     
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