Smith Trucking Company Told to stay OFF the 10 Meter band

Discussion in 'CB Radio Forum' started by Gadfly, Aug 23, 2007.

  1. kd5drx

    kd5drx <strong>Master of Electronic Communications</stron

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    Ok i don't mean to take side here but this what we are talking about know what your talking about before you open or write it down. The USB/LSB does not give you more channels it is a mode of operation on the same channels it still only has 40 preset freq to operate on you just have different modes to operate on the same freq. I know you read the box and the advertizment well that was to get you to buy the radio its not so.
     
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  3. L.B.

    L.B. Third Generation Truck Driver

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    kd5drx is right. USB and LSB do not give you extra channels, but it is a way to use extra power legally on the CB. The problem is there are very few people on sideband, so just like using a modified 10 meter radio, you have a radio with lots of capability but no one to talk to on it. When inexperienced drivers get these new toys they play around with the bands and that is what gets them in trouble.
     
  4. L.B.

    L.B. Third Generation Truck Driver

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    I just have a problem with self-righteous people who think it's their duty to go off on people just because they don't have a piece of paper saying they are licensed to talk on certain frequencies. Well, I'm not licensed but I talk on restricted freqs even gadfly cannot talk on as part of my duties in the military. I have even talked on CB freqs from 30,000 ft over NC and GA when I didn't have much going on during a flight.

    I also can't stand when people crack on radios with roger beeps and lump them into the outlaw CB category. The roger beep came from old radios as a way of signaling they were done transmitting when reception is bad. Many of the "toys" on radios now come from the amateur radio side, and not from CBers. We've just picked them up over the years.
     
  5. wheel time

    wheel time Bobtail Member

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    about 2 yrs ago a group of drivers came tru my local area, they were talking on 2 meter and on our main fire ground channel, i heard them on my scanner i called our 911 center they said they herd them to. never did find out what happend. but i know the company they drive for. and i did call the company
     
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  6. squirrellsgnwild

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    The military doesn't care unless you are abusing it. As far as operating in the ham frequencies that is up to the fcc to regulate it. Ham operators will still report unlicensed operators, its just the nature of the beast.
     
  7. Gadfly

    Gadfly Medium Load Member

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    Just as info, you are not alone in the use of frequencies outside CB and amateur. I will only go so far as to say that I, too, have----shall we say---certain military frequency authorizations governed by NTIA and USAF Frequency Management. To go further would violate OPSEC. In fact it is this relationship with the military that has influenced my attitude towards CB and radio in general, and that military training that has caused a kind of rigid adherence to the rule of law and regulations. Indeed, it is for this reason that I hold foolishness such as found on CB, the "extra" channels that CBers think they have some right to, and its own flaunting of rules that govern its own operations as well as those of services that outlaw CBers think they have a right to filch.

    Now, if you are REALLY connected with a military service, you would know that, contrary to your disdain for regulations that govern radio operations of various kinds, there ARE frequency assignments above and below the CB band. Now as to whether they are used or not, they are STILL assigned there and CAN be used. If an interloper IS found there, it will not matter how long he has considered this his "extra" special channel, he will still be brought up on charges for interfering IF a particular service wishes to use said frequencies.

    There IS A protocol used by both the military and civilian authorities called
    "ALE" which stands for "Automatic Link Establishment". It is for High Frequency what Trunking is for VHF and UHF. Basically, what happens is the radios themselves sample frequencies all thru out the agency's HF assignments to find which frequency is best for the traffic. Each radio in the network sends out a "handshake" signal and "talks" to each radio in the network thousands of times a second (during the sampling). Instead of a "set" channel, the radio selects the frequency without the operator necessarily knowing which frequency he is on. All HE knows is, he sends traffic to the "net" and the radio(s) in the net respond either individually thru a tone signal or collectively within the net. If there happens to be some clown yapping on the chosen frequency, there there'll be trouble in River City!!!! Thus, if the conditions are favoring those frequencies up around, then there won't be any choice in the matter: the network will choose that set of frequencies for the traffic and take note of any interference created. So this ain't about "Gadfly". I have a lot more access to restricted frequencies (including FEMA) than you know, a lot more knowledge about radio communications than YOU know (and a lot of fun at the Officer's Club)!

    You can rail against people who object to people on the amateur bands without license and it won't change a thing. It is, legally, the same thing as ME waltzing into your house and helping myself to a T-bone steak in your fridge! In THAT scenerio, I am stealing something from YOU! YOU
    bought and PAID for that steak, and there are laws against theft to protect people from thieves! In the case of radio, the licensees of radio services "paid" for their license either thru doing what the Government ASKED them to do for the privilege, or by purchasing the use of block(s) of frequencies. Either thru money or by testing (in the case of the amateurs). Those who did NOT earn their right to operate radios either by testing for the license OR by $$$ have NO right, no business, no REASON to be "on them channels". Period. So those who DID do what was required RESENT the persence of interlopers on their frequencies and will do what they MUST to REMOVE them from said frequencies! Same as YOU if you found ME stealing a steak from YOU. YOU will either call the cops, or take direct action against ME, the thief! THAT'S exactly what will happen when WE find CBers ON 10 Meters! Locate, document, report.

    There is a new "sheriff" in town with a recent appointment as Special Counsel for Amateur Enforcement up at FCC. I am sure this person is going to be very receptive to the complaints of the amateurs about outlaw CBers on "them channels"!:biggrin_2555:


    Gadfly
     
  8. L.B.

    L.B. Third Generation Truck Driver

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    Completely missed the point. I don't condone illegal radios or freqs. Never said I did it and never claimed to be an expert. I just didn't like the attitude.

    You make claims about OPSEC but then give away enough information (if it's true) to let me know you are or were an officer in the military. I never tried to hide my military affiliation. I am active duty Army assigned to a joint Army/USAF command in surveillance. Well I was. Currently on leave getting ready for my next assignment were I will be back in Iraq in less than 3 months. See there, I can tell you about me without spilling specifics. If you know what to look for you might find out what aircraft I flew on but no OPSEC has been compromised.

    My "disdain" for regulations has nothing to do with the military. It's more like my disdain of the kid who got picked on in high school and become a cop so he can dish out his own version of revenge.

    I know all about the freqs around the 11 meter band that the military uses. I already told you I use a radio on them. In the end you are probably just the guy who we call for a phone patch when we need to call someone from our aircraft. And now that we have sat phones we don't even need that anymore.
     
  9. lv gn

    lv gn Heavy Load Member

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    bla bla bla! you sound so important to your self! why do you even spend time here with us low life cb'ers? im sure there are wacker's meeting's. you could be spending time with other wackers and planning your over taking of the cb world! good luck with that.
     
  10. kd5drx

    kd5drx <strong>Master of Electronic Communications</stron

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    Why don't you get off your high horse and do away with that i am so much better than you attitude. You must be a zoomy or one of those other officer school grads. you talk around in circles and never make no sence oh no your a politician. Well as far as opsec goes you gave away more FOO information then any one needed to know. And as far as access to restricted freq that doesn't make you an operator that makes you a target. I myself am a Ham operator a truck driver and have ran CB since the early 60's when i was 5 years old. Original call sign back then was KJW9434 look that one up in the old FCC records. I have also been blessed to work on some of the most sofisticated spy planes the USAF has or had some are since retired. But talk about access to restricted freq. some of those scanned DC to light so olets not compare ones access to what with ones inteligence or education level and the right to operate a CB radio. Yes every one has the responsability to operate there equipment with in the own assigned legal space. If i hear an op in the wrong band i will report them but that is my duty as a Ham operator. I will not belittle them for there lack of a license but inform them to stay out of our bands. The license carries a privlage and a responsability with it not a badge.
     
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  11. Pur48Ted

    Pur48Ted Road Train Member

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    It isn't about ANYTHING except what the LAWS are, and the FACT that you can be fined BIG MONEY and even go to PRISON for violating the law.
     
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