Loose leaf logs.

This really depends on how many times you have been inspected and to what degree...are you saying that you have never had a written violation or never been caught?

Isn't a "warning" more or less a violation?

let us not forget toll rec, fuel rec etc etc matching logs....

Does it really matter how old you are or how long you have been driving?
This is a generalization I don't care for. I can run a log book just as good as Mr. 38 years.

No need to rip pages out...just redo them and show them why you had to correct a page.

Sorry buck but I had to............

 

I used them and was check several times and NEVER was I treated worst than if I had the regular logs. And once I had played with my log book to make me legal, but I went from Ga to Virgina before even touched them. I had showing 15 hours in the sleeper, but only in real 3. I was pulled in at the Maryland scales to check my logs, and came out 100% ok. They only asked where was my previous 7 days which I said look inside. I placed on copy of the current on top and kept the past days in side of the board I used. It was a Metal clip board you can get at most truck stops. Same thing in NY state. I was check for my logs only and he asked where the past 7 days and no problem. But I was shocked for At that time I just ran out of hours to run and he let me go.

 

Bubba bone,I won't ever lie to you knowingly, My two boys that drive will tell you that, ones out here16yr and another out here 8 yrs now. They don't listen to the old geezer sometimes and have paid a couple of 1000 fines and got them down to 750, I don't intentionally drive over open scales ever, I don't ask to be checked. I have been checked many times in my life, I know what does and doesn't have to be on logs, while I can't tell you everything,alot of it is luck,and alot of it is skill and looking sharp in the camera and in person,so you don't look unshaven,dirty,tired ,dirty mirrors and windshield,dirty truck,trash hanging out of doors,you know what I'm saying. Look like who did it and ran,will get you into trouble really fast.

 

He is right on the money, listen to Buck and you will do great! Many drivers think giving to much information will keep them out of trouble, but honestly it is totally the opposite now a days! The point really is as Buck said keep the logs legal and you won't have to worry and it makes the inspection (nervous time) VERY EASY! Many drivers are still logging paid miles and when they run the miles on their computer they will catch you! Their computer gives the DOT the number of hours you could do it minimally! So if you logged 5 hours and the minimum was 6 he can get you for speeding via your log book.

Have a great Turkey Day!

 

The DOT and State DOT are using PC Miler to check your miles, they use the short route miles. They get the miles between your two stops and divide by the speed limit. When crossing states with different speed limits they get an average, ie 65(PA)+55(OH)+70(WV)=190/3=63.3 mph. To make them happy you should log 2 mph under the limit, other wise they will look harder. They also know what most company trucks are limited to.

Mark

 

Loose leaf logs are real handy to look neat.But if you log it like you do it(or close to it ,ha ha )you`ll never go wrong.:smt114

 

this is so true i guess this is why they get so mad when they start asking you about things in your logbook and you start talking about the football game the other night

 

Loose leaf is the only way to go. Using them allows a driver a lot of flexibility without being too obvious about it.

Seven days, plus the current page, are all they get packaged nice and neat in a 1/2" three ring binder notebook.

I never show the recap. It's not required. Why should I do the diesel cop's math for him. I keep mine on a "private" sheet of paper that helps me keep track of it.

I never offer explanations for changes in duty status, only where it occurs. Again, it's not required. I will flag a 15 minute CMV inspection during the day, usually while fueling.

I will write my beginning and ending mileages on the CMV inspection form, but never on the actual log sheet. I only give them the total for the day which is all that is required.

Bottom line is, the diesel cops get from me only the bare minimum as required by 395.8. You give them more, you ask for troubles. Diesel cops are predators, but, they're (for the most part) lazy. If a driver appears to be a difficult and low yeild (revenue) capture, the cop will move on to the easier looking victim. Thankfully, there are plenty of them.

If the questions become too probing, remember Hillary's dissertation when questioned by the Grand Jury. She said, "I really don't recall." about a dozen times. That works for me.

 

I use them all the time. If ya dont like your day went you can tear out a sheet and make the paper fit your day.

 

Also remember to make sure you have as many blank pages as you have days left in the month..