The Best Reason to go ELD

Discussion in 'ELD Forum | Questions, Answers and Reviews' started by DustyRoad, Nov 13, 2018.

  1. wore out

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    So tell me how the ELD would stop him from doing 15 over with a required safety light not working with a flat and an expired annual inspection.


    From the list the guy dont give a #### bout his job. The paper didn't get him being lazy did. ELD really doesn't have anything to do with it.

    Truth be told it was the 15 over that got him popped not random selection
     
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  3. So I'm a driver who just started his new 70hr ELD after being home for 3 days.

    I start my 14hr clock do pretrip and drive to the shipper load that is 20 miles away.

    I check in and have to wait 6hrs just to get a door. Then another 10hr for them to load me. (waiting on a truck that is late who has 3 of my pallets)
    The shipper doesn't allow me to sleep, he wants me in my driver's seat waiting so I can pull my truck out when I'm loaded.
    How is ELD gonna help me be more safe.

    I'm now exhausted I've driven less then 20 miles. My 14hr clock was started so I could get to shipper.

    Now is it my job to falsify my ELD and say I was in sleeper birth for 10 and up for 5? Or do I burn my 14hr clock, then try and get out of the dock to go sleep for 10hrs before I drive this load?


    How is the computer gonna solve this
     
  4. DustyRoad

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    That is a complaint that is often used as an excuse to falsify the Daily Driver Log.

    The computer can not solve poor logistics and detention. The ELD doesnt plan loads and certainly has no control over shipper delays. However, you should realize drivers are responsible for showing up on time. who is to blame for detention? And if you are told to sit in the cab for ten hours and wait, then you should be compensated for the time on duty not driving. If your not getting paid, I suggest you remind the shipper you don't work for free and go off duty. However if you are required to be present on the dock, you sir are on duty whether you log it or not. Which begs the question, if you parked at the shipper for 8 hours waiting to be loaded, how can you stop the 14 hour clock?

    I would suggest use of the Split Sleeper Birth Provision and you will extend the 14 and you will pick up the accumulated hours from the 14 and 11 period prior to going off duty. Once loaded and you have the bills, you can rock and roll for the remaining hours of service.
     
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  5. DustyRoad

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    Exactly, the pattern of non compliance is used as an exhibit of some drivers either too tired or dont give a hoot....and are only in it for the money.

    If the subject of this discussion, aka" driver ", was more organized (time management) and actually conducted a routine walk around before crossing over the state line with a trooper looking for easy catch, the driver may have avoided having received the write ups. As for the reckless driving, I was told he was targeted by the speed trap where he failed to see the signs to reduce speed from 65 to 50 mph on a curve.

    Note, In the original post, I wrote the ELD can "help"....when used for purpose of time keeping rather than lazy human behaviors of not keeping current records of duty status.
     
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    Pedigreed Bulldog Road Train Member

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    A computer only has the ability the programmer gives it...which is limited by the lesser of his understanding of the subject dealt with by the software AND his ability to transfer that understanding into code. How many DRIVERS do you know that don't understand the HOS or how they work despite working under them every day? And you expect some pencil necked geek who has never driven anything bigger than a Prius to program those HOS into the ELD? A knowledgeable PROFESSIONAL who knows the HOS inside and out can run circles around any ELD for that reason alone. Sure, the ELD might have the basics covered, but like the DOT, they don't have a comprehensive working knowledge of the entire set of rules you may be playing under. They have a basic, "general use" understanding and that's it. At least the DOT will look it up if they're unfamiliar with an exemption or exception you're claiming. ELD's just flag you as being in violation.
     
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    I can creep on line 2, but it flags a violation in the office, can't see it on the device in the truck, leave the truck running, nothing to see, not even a startup.

    I'm not impressed with it at all, and if you need to back things up for a malfunction or driving multiple trucks, one or more of which don't have a working device, it's a real pain unless you routinely do paper, too, which is encouraged.
     
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  8. Brandt

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    You log at as On-Duty. Once loaded you drive to first safe place to park and enjoy your 10 hours off. You can get a shower and sleep since you have been working all day.

    Hopefully you get paid detention pay. So you have been making money all day waiting to get loaded. Maybe you got a great rate per mile to cover the day of not driving. So your still making money. The ELD will protect you when they ask how come the load is late. You can tell or show them how the shipper did not care about shipping the load on time and it not you fault. So you still get paid, you still get to sleep. All thanks to the ELD
     
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    They can totally access the ECM. I have had an inspection in which I crawled just about every day. The DOT is not dumb by a long shot. They know drivers are going to take logging short cuts, much like when paper logs existed. He looked at my elog and told me they looked good. I always try to keep a good attitude during inspection so they won't notice some of those shortcuts
     
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  10. Bakerman

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    Speed limit and Arizona’s 75, if he was doing 15 over I guess he was in a big hurry!
     
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  11. DustyRoad

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    First, we are not talking about artificial intelligence , that we should agree would be outside the design parameters. We are talking about the fuctionability of a cpu to handle translation from the driver and ecm interaction in a process known as input which is output automatically to memory in digital form in realtime during operation of the cmv, ie, pulling brakes, switch on/off and time driving...etc...etc.


    Secondly, We are as drivers are simply using this device to record our changes of duty status electronically in a digital format. When I say it is more accurate, that implies the machine operands of adding and substraction is highly proficient to handle more computations per millisecond than our average joe driver with less than highschool comprehension of math.

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    Personally, I am glad we have the ELD, so I don't have to recalculate my my hours of service, ad it is keeping me updated continuously. The MCP 200 notifies drivers when they have 1 hour left on duty. But then, that would mean the driver will need to stop for a DOT a rest period.

    Even the company can see my ELD and for any reason can not persuade me to drive beyond the legal limits.
     
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