New law in 2020 for all new entry CMVs operators.

Discussion in 'Trucking Industry Regulations' started by Peterbuilt1013, Dec 30, 2018.

  1. Studebaker Hawk

    Studebaker Hawk Road Train Member

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    Every carrier I have worked for or leased to since 1976 has given me a mandatory road test and handed me a certificate that indicates I have demonstrated the skills of a qualified driver, which I had to retain and display to the authorities upon request.
    Several friends of mine have their own authority. Some of them specifically don't hire drivers because of extra training/documentation required.
    Those regulations apply to any driver, new or old.
     
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  3. Peterbuilt1013

    Peterbuilt1013 Light Load Member

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    As long as I don't train, I don't need to be a school. Therefore I provide no instructions to pass the test. Strictly a rental entity only. The trucks are located on the private property of the DMV. As far as getting acclimated to the truck they can schedule practice. For the pre trip the applicant inquires with the DMV about information to study.

    If I get a phone call from someone needing training I tell them go to school. I'm not going to make $ if someone needs to wear down my truck trying to learn how to drive. Rarely do I get people calling for training. Also if I get someone who isn't qualified to safely drive the truck, I gladly tell them to go to school. Honestly this scenario rarely happens. There is a lot of drivers needing equipment for a test and the schools are mostly bottle necked.

    I've had a 3 hour discussion with SOS inspector general about my operation. Even they told me my idea was very smart.

    I guess with this new law it makes more sense to understand it from the FMCSA perspective. Schools with mandatory hours of class etc is a failed system. Yet applicants can rent a truck and get a license way too easy.
     
  4. brian991219

    brian991219 Road Train Member

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    With you being in Illinois, this is a very lucrative model. To the best of my knowledge, Illinois is the only state that requires an existing CDL holder to retake the skills and road test to transfer an out of state license into IL. Every other state allows an even exchange. This means there are many opportunities for new residents to already know how to drive, just need a truck to retest in.

    Back when I first obtained my class A in 1992 I already knew how to drive, had been driving large trucks on private property for years, and even had been driving dad's tow trucks out to crash scenes and in the snow for wrecks before I had a car license (small town, much simpler back then). All I did was borrow a truck to take my road test, no school needed. Now, not everyone can do this but some still can.

    There is a CDL school and third party tester near my home that offers a quick refresher course, use of his truck and a CDL exam for maybe $500. He is always busy. He also offers a full 160 hour course for those that need the full school experience, again always busy.

    I think you have found a niche and should stay in your grove. It seems to be working and is a middle of the road solution that many potential drivers are looking for.
     
  5. 06driver

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    Just shows how many fly by night programs exist in that cess pool of a state.

    My hope is they ban all rental types such as this. The wink wink nudge nudge get them a license and turn them loose crowd should be jailed., equipment seized, and terminated.

    Anyone need to obtain a CDl for the first time should be doing it through a reputable training academy or company. Not rent a truck sitting on site (wonder who is paid off on that little deal??) "available" for rental.

    #### glad we shut BS like that down here.
     
  6. brian991219

    brian991219 Road Train Member

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    No, the CDL exam simply needs to be more difficult. As it is right now it is a joke and almost anyone with a pulse can pass the exam with very little practice. This was the intent of the new minimum training standards rule for entry level drivers, however like everything else the government gets their hands on what started out with good intentions has become another joke. There is no teeth to the new regulation nor any minimum number of behind the wheel hours.

    Perhaps we need a graduated system similar to what Australia uses, where you must have logged so many hours in a smaller truck before being allowed to test for a bigger truck. Also more of an apprenticeship program, like the commercial airlines do for their pilots. Anything would be better than the joke of a licensing system we have today.

    I do wholeheartedly agree that there is no room for a wink and a nudge, or other corruption and bribery in the licensing process. I fully support prosecuting anyone that does not actually administer the exam as well as the students that cheated on the exam. It should be a lifetime prohibition from driving if you are involved in a cheating scam.

    As for being able to rent a truck and take the test without school, in Illinois that is necessary given they will not transfer an out of state CDL. So if I were to move to IL with my almost 30 year history of having a valid CDL, with your logic I would be forced to attend a school rather than rent a truck to retest. Perhaps I am moving into the state without a job yet, so no employer to use a truck from, or I need my CDL as an incidental part of my job (like a mechanic) so again no company owned truck to borrow.
     
  7. 06driver

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    A: No one in their right mind moves to Illinois. Mental defect should be a disqualifying condition. QED anyone having to retest because they moved there should not have one anyways:p

    Seriously the system needs fixed. Corrupt #### state. However the limited amount of rentals needed for folks with experience moving into the state would not support a business.

    These guys are renting it 5 or 6 times a day to drivers that have zero training or ability. Many have driven in Europe and Asia so can get through the years but lack any language or common knowledge of laws here. It is part of the grinder flooding the industry and leeches infect every aspect of it. From the low rent 1099 companies, to folks advertising these truck "rentals" where folks walk them through what will be covered to hide the language thing, and change immigrants #### near what a school would.

    Maybe graduated is the answer. Maybe dynamic real world, skid pad testing. Maybe we actually require a certified instructor with dual controls for the first six months anyone has an operating permit.
     
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  8. Peterbuilt1013

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    I think you need more awareness of how many competent drivers need a truck for rent for a license test. You make it sound like I am reeking havoc, but what you don't understand is the applicants who are registering at a school, those are not my customers. Nor would I want them to be. They need to be trained.

    If you read up on the new law. The new 2020 law requires no behind the wheel hours. Don't you think this is because the FMCSA recognizes the variables of peoples skills are too wide to generalize?

    So in theory I do think this new 2020 law will be effective because it is applicable. Some applicants need thorough training including class room. Some just need to get behind the wheel and put two and two together. Either way this is a new standard with FMCSA for all CMV operators and honestly I think this new law is well thought out and makes sense to me.
     
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