Help getting axle weights correct on end dump with fixed tandems

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  1. yzman720

    yzman720 Light Load Member

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    I heard some where that you can be a small amount over on axle weights when dealing with ag stuff in an end dump? I find it hard to believe but wanted to know if anyone knows? We are an interstate carrier for hire and have 39' end dump. Finding it hard to get axle weights correct since the tandems don't slide on end dump. I know you just have to load correctly but its hard considering when your loaded the only way to adjust a load is to pretty well just shovel a ton of product which obviously want to avoid. I realize you can slide the 5th wheel too, but not being able to slide the tandems on trailer is making it difficult any input is greatly appreciated!
     
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  3. x1Heavy

    x1Heavy Road Train Member

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    Find a spot on your company property, dump a dallop. Reweigh. When legal go deliver.

    Eventually that Dallop pile will grow to it's own load. When someone calls for that material shovel it in and go deliver.
     
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  4. Humblepie

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    Many states will allow a little overage as long as gross is good. When you say a little are we talking 500 pounds or 2,000
     
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  5. Pedigreed Bulldog

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    If you're light in the nose, roll forward and mash the brakes. If you're light on the tail, roll backwards and hit the brakes. The more weight you have to shift, the faster you'll have to roll and the harder you'll have to brake. You've only got 1 or maybe 2 real shots to move weight this way, because once it slides and settles in, that's pretty much it. It's a lot easier to move weight back in the trailer than it is forward...and if you need a little more "help" going back, you could always raise the bed a foot or so before backing and braking.

    If you're heavy on the tail, you could always dump a little out of the tailgate...and if that makes you too light, have them add a little to the nose.

    It'd be a cold day in Hell before I'd move a ton or so by hand using a shovel to balance the load...unless, of course, I was caught out & about with portables. The in-ground official scales, well, you know where they are & how to get around them. Takes less time to bypass the scale than it does to man the shovel to get your weights right.
     
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  6. yzman720

    yzman720 Light Load Member

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    we have prepass, when they weigh you on the fly on the interstate they cant check axle weight only gross correct?
     
  7. Pedigreed Bulldog

    Pedigreed Bulldog Road Train Member

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    How do you think they get your gross weight?

    (Hint: it involves addition)

    If you're over (or even close, if they so choose) on axles or gross, they can red light you and bring you in.
     
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  8. fss99701

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    I seen a lot of tractors that got converted into end dumps they have this type of problem.
    When I used to drive end dump years ago our secret was to avoid the scales! If we had to cross them the second secret was load a little less yardage.
     
  9. yzman720

    yzman720 Light Load Member

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    Honestly, I really don't know how the scale on the interstate works exactly. That's why I asked that as well. Ya I'm the new guy on prepass everyone can laugh at me but you don't know unless you ask.
     
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  10. Banker

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    Each state is different but many do allow an overage on an axle group if you aren’t over gross. Some states it is a percentage and others it is a fixed number. Since it isn’t a nationwide variance I guess you will have to google each state you travel in. I found it listed on my states website if you google what you are looking for. Some scale masters like Ky are very understanding and use common sense. 10 inches of a wet, slightly melted and re-frozen snow had me overweight recently in Ky. The scale master told me I had a legit reason and said have a nice day. Had this been in Ohio I would have been sitting there until it melted and left with a ticket, but they generally aren’t reasonable at the Ohio scales. Tennessee has let me ride at 35,000 on the trailer, but under gross. Also Ky has a higher weight limit per axle on state truck routes. I assume other states do as well.
     
  11. Humblepie

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    Or look in the front of your atlas
     
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