If I add a 20k pusher can I keep 12k steer?

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  1. Sumothertrucker

    Sumothertrucker Light Load Member

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    I've been hauling OS for a while with a tri axle detach but I'd like to go to next level. My tractor has 285" wheel base, so there"s plenty of space for the pusher but can I even utilize the full 20k rating on the pusher, or will it put to much on the steer with 60k on drives and pusher? Also, where can i find a "simple" breakdown of state by state permit-able axle weights? Thank you.
     
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  3. johndeere4020

    johndeere4020 Road Train Member

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    You can run a 12,000 front with a cheater. The amount on the front will depend on fifth wheel placement. How long is your neck?
     
  4. johndeere4020

    johndeere4020 Road Train Member

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    Oh and get ready.
     
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    Sumothertrucker Light Load Member

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    It's a 35 ton Muvall Ag trailer so the neck is to short to utilize the cheater. Looking to add another wagon with a 2 place pin or flip.
     
  6. johndeere4020

    johndeere4020 Road Train Member

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    Ok
     
  7. flood

    flood Road Train Member

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    pull out the 12k steer and put a 20k steer on
     
  8. m16ty

    m16ty Road Train Member

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    With a lift axle, you'll have to have a pretty long neck and slider to ever get much weight on your steer. It's is all in 5th wheel placement. You can put 12K or 20K on the steer, depending on where you place your 5th wheel.
     
  9. Ellipsoid

    Ellipsoid Bobtail Member

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    With my 5th wheel almost on my pusher, I'm not even 11k on steer when I have almost 60k on the back 3 axles. The pusher will take a lot of weight off the steer unless fifth wheel is in right spot.
     
  10. Sumothertrucker

    Sumothertrucker Light Load Member

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    Good information. Whats your wheel base?
     
  11. Ellipsoid

    Ellipsoid Bobtail Member

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    257" wheel base. (KW T800) But the same applies to longer wheel base trucks. Your fifth wheel has the be ahead of your pusher, or the pusher will take weight off of your steer. Not add to it. You can add a 20k pusher and make full use of it, even with a 12k steer. It just will get sketchy in the winter because your steer will be so light. But that doesn't matter that much since can't drive while oversize on bad roads anyway.

    I don't scale my loads that much, the picture is from my wyoming permit weighed on their dot scale. My pusher is set to around 16,500 on it. and that makes my steer only have 10300 on it when it's down. Mind you my steer weighs over 14k when i'm bobtail.
     

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