sleeper requirements

Yes.. IF YOU HAVE THEM.

There is NO REQUIREMENT to have them.

There is NO requirement to stay in a hotel, friends house, fire house, or Mickey Mouse's house.

It says your have to be OFF DUTY. Show me where it says you have to sleep, much less where it says you have to prove you had/have "a place to sleep"

Of course this only applies to a solo driver. Team drivers MUST log a minimum number of sleeper birth hours and that must be in a "legal sleeper".

 

No matter what they say, this DOES NOT properly meet ALL the requirements for a legal sleeper.

There was another company making this same set up years ago. Also another that has these pocket things you put in the windows to make the length meet the regulations.

Years ago when these things were being made the FMCSA issued an official letter clearly saying these things do not meet requirements. A copy of that letter has been posted here on this site several years ago.

There is a company (in Texas I beleive) that makes a unit that goes on the back of the cab sort of like a topper. That was ruled acceptable. They cost about $4,000 - $6000 if I remember correctly and another company making an actual sleeper where they stretch your frame and install the sleeper. That one clearly meets requirements and again, if I recall correctly costs in the $20,000 range.

 

I would have to disagree I was running ELD in my 2001 ram until I switch to the 8 of 30 exemption. Also was asked multiple times at weight stations why I didn’t have a eld after I went to the exemption. I tell them I’m running less then 8 days of any 30 day and hand them my paper log book. Pick ups do require ELDs if the engine is 2000 or newer

 

Called a

ZOOM Room.

 

One point I would like to get across in my opinion very important when dealing with DOT. A DOT officer can ask questions of you the driver about your HOS and how you log it. You the driver are NOT required to give an answer. A DOT cop asks you where did you sleep last night POLITELY refer said Officer to your logs with the comment you don't make comments on your logs. The cop might start a tomahawk chop and act like a rooster for a few minutes, but in the end, the cop can't force you to comment! There are two things that consistently day in and day out get a driver in trouble. Smarting off to the cop and developing diarrhea of the mouth. Stay professional, stay quiet and most important stay calm when stopped.

I have posted this information many times in the past in these HOS threads and I will do it again. Most cops DOT cops, as well as non DOT cops, are required to take so many hours of continued education. In these classroom settings, cops learn how to question someone and lead them into a "gotcha". The only defense you have against these situations is to stay quiet. This does NOT mean to become a jakeleg idiot either. Stay polite, but stay firm with your position. More often then not if the cop begins to see you are not going to play that game they will move on. The best way to avoid a 395.11 (g) question is don't give the cop the opening.

 

Always the way to do it Moose.
And keep anything that you write down very brief as well. Comments in logs should be so short its like your pen ran out of ink.

 

Since you know that, can you tell us exactly which section of 393.76 they are committing fraud by saying they don't comply. I'm sorry, but I'll believe the business that's been in business for a decade over some random person has not backed up their claim.

Here's a jump off point of eCFR — Code of Federal Regulations so you can look at the regs yourself.

 

I won't argue except to say that we checked very carefully with CHP and DOT to find out whether or not we needed to run ELDs in our 1 tons. We run mostly in California but just to be safe we also checked with Nevada, Oregon, Washington, and Idaho because we occasionally go to those states. Every agency told us the same thing...the way we use the 1 tons does not require an ELD.
We made very sure of the ruling and that we weren't in violation. The only time the 1 tons have had their logs checked is when they were acting as pilot cars. They went so far as to check the pickup's paper log against the ELD in the lowbed. Oregon POE at Ashland...they checked everything once and we were never bothered again.
As I said in my previous post, We very very seldom pull a trailer with the 1 tons. When we do it's usually a little fifteen footer to haul trash to the dump.
We have ELDs in the big trucks.
LOL...the way things are going maybe some day we'll have to run ELDs in our pickups but for now we're enjoying not having therm.

 

Again, there are requirements that must be met to need an ELD. The number one is is the truck even interstate. No states require an ELD.
Then there are exemptions. Agriculture use is an obvious one. Short haul (less than 100 air miles) and the 8 in 30 for the few times one goes over.

And remember, the comment was refuting that ALL 1 ton's need ELD's. That's simply not true. A one ton only needs an ELD if it's interstate and it doesn't meet one of the other exemptions.

 

Sorry I guess I missed that. I thought you where stating that pick ups don’t need ELDs, period. Which is incorrect, now I understand. The way you are using the 1 tons you don’t need a eld for it and that is correct. Sorry for the miss understanding.