A tractor/trailer will not do well in mud etc. especially one set up for on road use.
I logged and sawmilled for 30 years before trucking. I hauled on bob trucks without trailers for the most part. Your truck with a pup trailer would probably be fine since it’s set up for logging but if you take a regular road tractor and use it to pull a log trailer you better be ready to pull it out with a skidded quite often.
I have seen road tractors get stuck on a little uneven ground and also on a small patch of ice or snow.
Which setup ?
Discussion in 'Experienced Truckers' Advice' started by CSTrucking, Oct 10, 2019.
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This will depend on where you are logging and how the roads are built. Neither one is going to get around empty in mud or snow, unless you have the pup loaded on to the tractor for traction, period, especially if you have some steep ground in there.
Where I log no one can use a regular trailer, the turns are too sharp, and there is not enough driver weight on an empty trailer to get you back anywhere close to where the logging is going on, except for the driest days of summer. You load the pup on the empty truck to get in empty and the truck turns into a mountain goat, throw some cahins and it takes some serious snow to stop it, now coming out loaded a steerable log trailer is much better, I will not pull my pup in bad snow and we can't get in with anything when it is muddy here, so do not even try, usually.
I have hauled some loads when it was muddy for the skidder had to pull me the first few miles, it is not generally worth it. -
That’s what I was thinking, I would still need a tractor though as moving equipment is part of the job and the knuckleboom loader is fifth wheel. If I bought a tractor it would have full lockers, and tires suited for off road as half of the miles or more are haul roads and dirt county roads do you think that would make much difference or still be stuck a lot ?
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If you mud is just greasy you may get by, if it is soft even chains will not help
I am not picturing what kind of truck and pup you are talking about with a fifth wheel mounted knuckle boom and still being able to use your fifth wheel to pull an equipment trailer. I haul my loggers smaller equipment, but on a 3 axle pintle hitch tilt trailer. -
How heavy are you allowed to be?
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Sit on your hands a little while longer i think. The timber dictates the equipment. You dont haul whole tree pulp on a straight truck + pup and you cant usually get a tractor and pulp trailer into a small private stave cut.
I am concluding that since you havent mentioned the timber you probably havent got the jobs lined up, and youll need that above all things to keep the checks coming in. Logging is a perpetual struggle and jumping into equipment without a pretty good idea of where you can show up to work it is risky.
A straight truck with 5th wheel and removable back bolster can move the KB from job to job. But you have to be on site when the loader is loading for a straight truck and still get to the mill during dock hours. With trailers you can park one at the KB in the middle of the night and go haul the full one during the day while the other gets loaded. But then youre beholden to the pulp market and usually one big mill.
A rear mounted self loader triaxle straight truck probably has the least efficiency in terms of tonnage, but the most independance to jump from job to job at any hour, in hardwood anyway. Or straight truck with pintle pup and log loader on front of that. Would never work for hardwood pulp whole tree.
So to talk trucks we need to be talkin timber and markets first. Who do you know and whatre they offering? Where you haulin to and whats it pay?
[And what experience have you got?]Last edited: Oct 12, 2019
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Another option is to hedge your logging bet.
Buy a good dump truck. Walking beams, 8LL or 15 speed, full lockers. Take the box and hoist off and park it. Build your 4 pole log bed with a stinger pintle and run it. Buy or build a pup as you can. The dump pto could be used to power a self load trailer which would let you go out and cover little jobs where a contractor has no knuckleboom, or maybe you get a skidder/dozer of your own some day.
If timber goes in the toilet put the box back on and haul shotrock, gravels, lime, coal, firewood, whatever. -
The self loaders I have been around all used a three stage pump, a regular pump like on a dump truck would not work, or if it did, not very good I wouldn't think.
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sorry I didn’t describe that very well, the loader stays on the landing I will just have to move it when the landing is finished but I guess I could just pay someone else to bring in their tractor and move it if I buy a tri axle. I was just thinking about getting a tractor and short 36 to 40 foot log trailer but wasn’t sure how good it would go in snow and mud. I’m very familiar with tri axles and how well they go just not tractors.
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All great points, I’ll be waiting til spring to get the truck, we contract cut for a local log yard with 60k acres of hardwood, we don’t cut anything smaller than 18” chest high, all of our wood is cut nothing tree length, the longest is pulpwood which is still only 20 feet long.
Our market is basically anywhere you can sell logs since we cut for a log yard not a mill. Most roads are maintained and rocked with some switchbacks once in a while but not often. I was just considering a tractor that way I could haul the logs and move all the equipment with one truck and if the timber market did go south I could just switch trailers and not the whole truck.
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