Profitable # $1.30 cpm avg - 2k miles a week! - Disprove It!

Discussion in 'Ask An Owner Operator' started by grandDaddyCadi, Aug 7, 2009.

  1. grandDaddyCadi

    grandDaddyCadi Bobtail Member

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    Since joining this forum I have read the numerous posts about buying a truck and jumping in feet first in trucking. I like many others are seeking the best way to do this and have sought the guidance, wisdom and companionship of this forum in an effort to educate ourselves.

    As any of us would agree, trucking is more about the weird love we have for these behemoth vehicles that keep our country moving than it is about making million$ of dollars. As we all KNOW that trucking isn't a business that generally is known for producing millionaires, so any illusions of getting richby holding a steering wheel and showering in super-sized truck stops is just that.... an illusion!

    So the basic premise starts with buying one of these ultra-cheap, fuel efficient trucks (w/ warranty) that can be ran fairly consistently, long enough to pay off the truck and provide a reasonable living running reefer and/or van freight... (thats what i will be hauling)

    A truck like this - http://www.truckpaper.com/listings/detail.aspx?OHID=2000111&GUID=B52A5EDDB5084813AE5788AE7BB06F70

    Or this - http://www.truckpaper.com/listings/detail.aspx?OHID=2074728&GUID=B52A5EDDB5084813AE5788AE7BB06F70

    So here are the numbers for a 6 month time period running 43,200 miles...
    Avg. 2000 miles per week # $1.30 per mile
    (10% deadhead -200 miles wk.) - $9360 mth

    Total Gross Revenue - $56,160 dollars in 6 months
    1. Insurance $10k per year - (6 mths@ $850 mth.) - $5100
    2. Truck Payment - ($1000 mth) - $6000
    3. Fuel - (6 mpg's) avg price of $2.50 x 7200 gals. - $18000
    4. Permits/Auth. - (est. $500 mth) - $3000
    5. Trailer Lease (est. $800 mth) - $4800
    6. Maintenance ($.10 cpm) - $4320
    7. Misc. & Admin ($250 mth. - phone, net etc.) - $1500
    8. Salary - (43200 miles # $.30 cpm -$2160) - $12960
    Total Expenses - $55680
    ($480 Savings, Medical & Retirement)

    So at the end of the day (based on my numbers) you as the driver earn $540 a week before paying for any medical, saving for retirement and paying for food. Is it worth that... those numbers don't look good at all!

    I instantly recall the statement from someone on here, "that you need to clear at least $1.42 to breakeven" which I initially refuted in my mind, but as I went through this exercise I see that figure is more real than ever.

    So I am looking for others to add their insight and experience and the goal is that this will help those of us trying to figure out how to make this dream of owning our own rig a reality ESPECIALLY during this time when you can almost steal a truck they are so cheap!

    Questions -
    1. Can one earn at least $1.30 per mile or more (reefer/van or flat) with a home base out of Houston

    2. Is 2000 miles per week is reasonable?

    3. Your thoughts & comments?

    Lastly, the goal here is to provide more insight into the discussion of profitability, so keep the snide, negative, unproductive idiot trucker commentaries; instead let's engage our minds to help bring about clarity regarding this topic.

    Thanks in advance to all who share, your contribution is widely appreciated by not only myself but the countless other future O/O (or not) who read this forum.
     
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  3. johnn5272000

    johnn5272000 Light Load Member

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    While your numbers look ok you will need to increase your rate per mile or your miles ran per week. Since much of your cost is fixed expense every mile you run after that puts more money per mile in your pocket. I usually found that about 2500 miles was break even to a company driver, after 2500 is when I could generate the revenue I needed to be happy. My O/O's are still making money, Only one has quit in the last 7 months they got out of trucking all together. Incidentlly my rate per mile has trended downward for about 6 months untill the last 2 weeks, we are at about 1.46 plus fuel surcharge. Thats a mix of about 70% customer freight and 30% broker freight.
     
  4. The Challenger

    The Challenger Kinghunter

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    GDC,

    While I am only a student, I would think the minimum of miles you need to break even is 3000. At 1.30 a mile it comes out to $3900 and that is before taxes get taken out, fuel pay, insurance, etc. I would like to hear MM's view on this and see what what his needs are. I would like to see Pharm, JasonTheRock views as well. These members are all o/o's.

    KH
     
  5. 112racing

    112racing Road Train Member

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    medical will cost you at least $800 a month for two people unless you are in a group plan

    figure about $1500 a quarter for tax =3000

    $24000 a year with 2 people will qualify you for food stamps and medicaid
     
  6. dancnoone

    dancnoone "Village Idiot"

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    I won't dispute your numbers. Although I should.

    But I will point out the distinct "quality" of life issues you have brought out.

    I can make $30k a year working 8 hours a day 5 days a week. And not work near as hard as you did.

    But, if it's what you want to do. It makes all the differance in the world.
     
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  7. Downwind

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    I am researching the details of potentially becoming an O/O and, have run into the following significant headwinds:

    1.) Without a year of recent (within the past 3 years) OTR experience no major company will agree to extend you a lease. Consequently, your on your own to find freight to haul.

    2.) The only major broker (that I have found) that is willing to work with a potential new O/O such as myself is CH Robinson. Several dispathcers at CHR have ballpark rates of $1.10 - $1.20 / mile as typical in the market today. As a carrier for CHR you need to provide both a tractor and trailer.

    3,) A reasonable assumption of miles / week is 2000 - 2300.

    Let's look at some numbers:

    1.) I have a quote for $45,000 for a 2005 tractor with 394,000 miles and, a 2006 53' dry van trailer. With 0 down, financed for 48 months # 4.8%,the monthly nut is $1032. Add to this the cost of truck, trailer and cargo insurance, $542/mo., health care insurance = $780/mo. and, license & permits = $183/mo. At 100,000 miles / yr, this fixed cost / mile would $0.304. Let's add the driver's wages to this figure. At $40,000 / year the cost of having a driver is $0.40 / mile. Adding these two fixed costs together ($0.304 + $0.40) shows a total fixed cost of $0.704 / mile.

    2.) On the variable cost side, the biggest component is fuel. At 6.5 mpg and $2.50 diesel, the cost / mile is $0.385. Adding this cost to the total fixed cost ($0.704 / mi) brings the cost of operation up to $1.089 / mile.

    This $1.089 / mile does not take into consideration any costs for routine maintenace, tires, equipment repairs, tolls, lumpers, scales, meals, lodging or, taxes. Using conservative industry estimates these costs would add somewhere around $0.20 / mile. That brings the total cost of operation to right at $1.30 / mile.

    Anybody know where I can get freight paying an average of $1.30 / mile so I can realize a dream?
     
  8. Cowpie1

    Cowpie1 Road Train Member

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    Probably right, if looking at a typical 80/20 plan. I have a Blue Cross / Blue Shield HSA plan that only costs $394 a month ($5 Million lifetime payout, $5500 annual deductable with no copay requirements)... I am 52, smoker, no issues, wife is 49, takes thyroid medication. I contribute $400 a month into a health savings account that continues to grow like a 401K and can use it how I like after age 62 1/2, just like 401K or IRA. The best thing is the tax advantages.... with a traditional plan, you cannot deduct any out of pocket until you reach 7.5% of your adjusted gross income. With an HSA, you deduct everything you contribute to the savings account and the premiums. There is no out of pocket like with a traditional plan. You pay for all out of pocket from the savings account. Therefore.... everything is deductable without having to meet a threshhold, and what you don't spend out the savings account, continues to grow with interest or can be invested just like a 401K, depending on where you have the savings account established with. Heck, my monthly premium payments are lower than when I was in a similar BC/BS plan with a carrier as a company driver.

    Regarding getting in a group for any insurance, one of the best places to look for good rates with good insurance choices is your local Farm Bureau (all states have Farm Bureau organizations). You do not have to be a farmer to be a member. They usually have very competative rates with high quality insurance carriers. Also, you could discuss options with an independent insurance agent who has a broad choice of insurers they deal with. I did that and got a very, very good plan at a darn good rate.
     
  9. MedicineMan

    MedicineMan Road Train Member

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    If u want to run 2k miles a week I want to know what your going to do the other 5 Days that week
     
  10. Lastkidpicked

    Lastkidpicked Medium Load Member

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    Granddaddy, your profile says you have been a trucker for 14 years. Aren't you already making MORE than .30 per mile wherever you are now?

    Unless this move is more about your freedom than about the money. I'm sure you have earned that right as well.
     
  11. The Challenger

    The Challenger Kinghunter

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    MM is right, what about the other miles?. What I notice about o/o's is that they run hard during the season with their drivers. Then during the slow season they run easy to medium so they have a decent paycheck.

    KH
     
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