11 Hours plus 2 hours.

Discussion in 'Trucking Industry Regulations' started by Lilpup, Jul 29, 2011.

  1. Lilpup

    Lilpup Bobtail Member

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    I imagine this must of been discussed many times in this fourm, so you have to excuse me for asking this again. I'm new here.

    Yesterday, after telling my dispatcher I'll only have 8.5 hours of my 60 hours left. He instructed me to "bring it home." I plugged in the GPS from my location and found that I had just enough driving time to get home instead of spending another night in the coffin.

    Smooth sailing all the way however on one last stretch of highway (25 minutes away from my terminal,) I encountered "unforseen" traffic.

    Watching my arrival time on my GPS increase past my 11 hours of driving time (but within my 14 hours) I did get it back to the terminal 15 minutes over my 11 hours driving time.

    Is "unforseen" traffic eligible for the 2 hour extension of the 11 hour rule? I know weather is.

    I couldn't find any clarity in this and I know come next week I'll be called into the office, or sent a nice little notice about running over hours.

    Thanks:

    Lilpup
     
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  3. CondoCruiser

    CondoCruiser The Legend

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    A driver can extend by 2 hours only for adverse driving conditions.

    Straight from the FMSCA website, 395.2


    They really can't say anything because under normal circumstances you could do it. If it's a regular city rush hour, that can be foreseen and no you can't extend. If it's a wreck, that is not foreseen, yes you can.

    Just make sure you put it in remarks, why?

    That's my take. Let some others post.

    That's another grey area of the rules.

    If you are on paper logs, your duty status doesn't change until you get back. Pull the magic pen out.
     
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  4. Meltom

    Meltom Road Train Member

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    If they're like most companies you'll still get nailed for the violation. You'll hear a trip planning speech and some safety talk. Be open to it, it goes easier that way. If you traffic near your home is typically busy and you drove into it anyways it throws the adverse conditions thing out the window. Don't make a habit of using it and you should be fine.
     
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  5. harleymanjax

    harleymanjax Rookie Skateboarder

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    Paper or ELOGS?

    If your worried about 15 mins I can only assume your on ELOGS, Just don't make it a habit and make sure you let your safety dept know why you were over and you should be fine!
     
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  6. 123456

    123456 Road Train Member

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    If the unexpected conditions can be verified,

    that always helps explain the situation.

    However, alot of companies don't allow the 2 hour exception, due to

    misunderstandings and abuse.
     
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  7. Lilpup

    Lilpup Bobtail Member

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    Thanks for everyones quick response.

    My company doesn't use E-logs, but the very old Tachograph (I believe I spelled that correctly.)

    My very question was about the 2 hour rule on "Un-forseen" conditions. And I felt that driving down Route 222 in PA would be okay on a Thursday afternoon at 2:45. However when I was approaching this route and foud that I-78 had a 5 mile back-up. Everyone decided to take this route to avoid it. As I said this was "Un-forseen."

    Im not to concerned with the safety manager barking. Afterall, I just found a envenlope a month ago dated back to January stating I was on 90 days probation for logging off duty status for 15 minutes when the tachograph shows I was driving for 15 minutes. I was never questioned or did the company check if my tachograph was malfunctioning. Just 90 days probation Period.

    As I said, Thanks for your quick replys.


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  8. CondoCruiser

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    Ah, you're from Lancaster. I grew up in Lititz. Small world.
     
  9. Cowpie1

    Cowpie1 Road Train Member

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    I have noticed that with a short time over the 11, as long as you didn't violate the 14, most times not much is said. I have gone over 11 a couple of times in the last 7 months on EOBR, but I didn't go over the 14 and nothing was said. Each time was less than 15 minutes. Never heard a word about it, though I am sure it popped up on someone's radar at the carrier. They never said, and I never asked, but they must have an allowance factor built into their policy. For something like going over 15 min, I wouldn't lose any sleep over it.
     
  10. American-Trucker

    American-Trucker Road Train Member

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    why not take a "break" while waiting for the traffic to "clear"




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  11. Sly Fox

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    If it was just an accident waiting to get cleared up, this would have been what I would've done. Unless you would've gotten pushed too far and ran up against your 14.

    As for unforeseen, that's up to your carrier. Your logs dept will make the call to punish you or not for violating their HOS policy. Some carriers don't care about the 'unforseen' conditions. My company sure as hell doesn't.

    Don't do it too often, and your carrier probably won't concern themselves.
     
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