3406b cat question?

Discussion in 'Trucks [ Eighteen Wheelers ]' started by flc120, Jul 11, 2012.

  1. flc120

    flc120 Heavy Load Member

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    first poster after me says that there will be more rattle,shaking vibrations is this true? why would the harmonice be affected if the piston and rod are still moving accordingly with crank?
     
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  3. bender

    bender Road Train Member

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    A dead miss will always cause an imbalance but you'll likely be ok bobtailing 50 miles.
     
  4. Semi Crazy

    Semi Crazy Road Train Member

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    Why don't you just drive it the way it is 50 miles? I drove to a shop with engine knocking after Great Lakes Diesel worked on mine back in the '90s with warped 1 & 6 pistons. Just keep your foot out of it.

    Have you called any tow trucks and got a quote?

    $300 is what my local guy gets to winch me out of my field when I get the stupid bug and the ground is soft in the winter. He travels about 25 miles to get here.
     
  5. flc120

    flc120 Heavy Load Member

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    well i figured it shes gunna miss regardless she actually runs way worse not feeding that cylinder fuel it seems to be the 2nd piston from the rear.

    heres my issue i have alot of mechanical knowledge of automotive and general diesel tech ive assembled my own custom built SBC turbo systems,driveline work,im pretty hands on when it comes down to having no other choice. Ive helped breakdown front cover on detroit S60's as well as a head job i helped with on my own detroit. i also did a inframe more of a helping hand and lifting stuff but i watched how its all gone back together on a 3406E i had issues with blowing a hole right thru the center of the 4 valves on the head. Which was carnage having to find a head,turbo and manifold plus rebuild. Ive done re-bearings on several trucks ive had with same mechanic but hes charging me $ i dont have right now and i have $ for rebuild kit and oil change and other smaller parts i just dont have the labor $ to give him now, he said he would help me out with whatever tool i may need if i choose to breakdown engine myself including torque wrench which is way larger then anything i own. i have no air compressor but maybe able to have one lent to me a stand up 150psi sucker and air tools as well.

    MY issue is can it be put back together backyard style, i have a large picker i use to do engine swaps in inboard/outboard boats ive worked on and it goes very high. i can move truck to a comfortable place and work on it by my place.


    anyone think this feat can be achieved by a normal backyard mechanic. Ive seen alot of different rebuilds on the roadside you wouldnt believe by many mobile mechs i know so ive seen some crazy stuff.
     
  6. vze326ff1

    vze326ff1 Bobtail Member

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    I would not cap off the line or fuel pump, Like they say it might damage your fuel system. A fuel nozzle might work, does the truck smoke????? that nozzle might be over fueling causing a fuel knock??? If it does smoke does the smoke go away when you crack that line loose????
     
  7. flc120

    flc120 Heavy Load Member

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    yes truck smokes grayish black like pure diesel. but when i open nozzle it keeps smoking.

    i pulled fuel off head and capped off then i pulled line coming off injection pump and ran into a seperate container and the truck still smokes just misses since the cylinder has no fuel going to it.

    in fact its always smoking not heavy but noticable to eye fuel from when you turn it on, it doesnt clear up even if you hold her at 1500 rpms shes still blowing lightly.
     
  8. vze326ff1

    vze326ff1 Bobtail Member

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    Some smoke on a 3406b is norm, sounds like you might have some internal problems, Now drive it 50 miles is not a good ideal, It might make it or not. If the piston is starting to seize or a valve about to drop it will cost more in repair then a tow to the shop. I seen alot of dropped valves and seized pistons. I have seen a c12 with a broken wrist pin that came apart and the rod ripped the block in half. A new pack and maybe a new head is a lot cheaper then a new engine.
     
  9. flc120

    flc120 Heavy Load Member

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    thing is can i rebuild this thing myself ive got the know how.
     
  10. vze326ff1

    vze326ff1 Bobtail Member

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    You can rebuilt it, but I work for a cat dealer and we have cranes to lift heads, tooling to adjust jakes or pacbrakes and not all brakes are adjusted to the same spec.. It depends on brake models and horespower ratings. If we rebuilt it (OPT) we go through everything and cat offers warranties. Even if you did bear minimum with a dealer, and something happens to what you replaced/repaired, you will get coverage. If some thing happens like you mix up washers on the jakes or adjust the valves to the wrong spec. and it dropped a valve your up sh#t creek with out a paddle.
    There is also a chance that it might not be as bad as you think. It might be something that can be fixed with out taking it apart. I see that all the time, I had a 3126 in the shop today with crank no start and the guy replaced 2 sensors and a HUEI pump and I towed it into the shop. It had all 6 logged injector codes. Be a cat tech for around 8-9 years I know that is a ECM problem, installed test ECM and the truck started. trouble shoot it and repaired it in 4 hours.
     
  11. SmokinCAT

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    This tells me that the injection pump builds enough pressure at that rpm to get the fuel to atomize so the knock lessens. Mechanical failures don't usually go away with rpm, also the fact that you have an unburnt fuel smell even more so makes me think it is fuel related.
     
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