3406E wont start

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  1. nmseptic

    nmseptic Bobtail Member

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    Hi All,

    New to forum. Read a few posts and looks to be some good talent here!

    Here's my problem (among outrageous fuel costs):biggrin_255::
    99 Sterling 3406e wont start. Bought truck 2 mos ago, it's been in our shop for paint, etc. Drove truck about 50 miles when purchased it. No problems on startup or driveability, actually ran good. The other day, brought it inside, changed oil and fuel filters w/ Luberfiner. Truck started and ran good. Put 30 gals diesel in it. Ran about 30 mins or so around town. Came back to shop, everything OK. Before I sut it off, I noticed that the tach was a bit lazy. Rev it up and it was slightly slow on reading RPMs. Didnt notice if it ever did it before. Shut off engine. Came back 2 days later and wont start. Turns over....thats it.
    Here is where it gets fuzzy:
    Thought it may be fuel related. Looked in tank and fuel was real cloudy. Drained and rinsed tank. Added new fuel(from different station). Changed filters. Primed..Primed ..Primed..etc. Wont start. Pulled off suction line from tank. Put it in 5 gal pail clean fuel. Return line into another 5 gal bucket, turned motor over for 15 seconds or so fuel on return was slightly cloudy, but cleared up after a gal or so. So I think the fuel quality problem is fixed. Hooked up fuel lines, primed, still wont start. Read a couple of other posts...talked to mechanic friend says maybe cam speed sensor..changed the cam speed sensor. still wont start.
    Not many competent cat engine guys around, but the nearest one came out with his scan tool and found no fault codes or bad sensors. still wont start. He didnt have an answer except maybe ecm is bad. Scan tool didnt show that. Nearest cat dealer is + 1 hr away. Called the service dept in hopes that someone could at least point me in a direction. No help.
    Also...checked all fuses, wires, harness, etc. Nothing broke or disconnected. The odd thing is the truck ran fine until I shut it off then nothing. I realize this is kinda vague but I'm desperate at this point.
    Any help would be greatly appreciated !!
    G
     
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  3. txviking

    txviking <strong>Trucker Geek</strong>

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    That does sound like an ECM problem. Any possibility of getting Cat ET hooked up while you're trying to crank? Maybe ECM is having some trouble storing codes? Not sure.
     
  4. nmseptic

    nmseptic Bobtail Member

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    Thanks for reply.

    Please forgive me. First electronic engine. What is Cat ET ?
     
  5. nmseptic

    nmseptic Bobtail Member

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    One update to earlier post.

    Looked at a few other threads...
    The "stop engine" light comes on when key is first turned on, then it goes off. The "check engine" light used to come on and go off (I noticed it ) but now it does not come on at all.
     
  6. txviking

    txviking <strong>Trucker Geek</strong>

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    Caterpillar's Electronic Technician software. It's the software shops run on the laptops they hook up to the diagnostic connector under the dash on the driver side.
     
  7. Heavyd

    Heavyd Road Train Member

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    Have you guys done any welding on it? Possible rat/mouse nest somewhere and they have been chewing on wires, (I have seen this before). Does the tach show some RPM when you are cranking? Have you disconnected any engine wiring related to the cam sensor, because the cam sensor and fuel temp sensor have the same plug and with plug into each other and reach each other. I have seen people get these mixed up after a head job. Same thing, no codes, engine won't start, but it won't show rpm while cranking either.
     
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  8. 05chopper

    05chopper Light Load Member

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    You said fuel!Thought it may be fuel related. Looked in tank and fuel was real cloudy. One thing to check is coolant in the fuel! Shine a bright light into the fuel tank and look for prestone at the bottom of the tank.You could also remove the primary fuel filter and dump fuel out of filter into a pan look for coolant.If no coolant present remove the fuel suction line under the driver side going into the pump and install a line about three feet long open at the end.Put this open end into a bucket of fuel then run the small return line into the bucket also.Using the hand primary pump,pump,pump till you hear it click then have someone start it for you while you keep pumping the hand pump. If it starts and runs fine and you have throttle responce then you have a suction line that is sucking air.Its sounds like you have a fuel problem. If you have coolant in the tank you need to change injector cups.One thing you drivers need to know is get into the habit of shining a bright light into the tank looking for coolant.
     
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  9. 05chopper

    05chopper Light Load Member

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    The line that you are going to take off is a 15/16 open end wrench at the fuel pump.
     
  10. nmseptic

    nmseptic Bobtail Member

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    Thanks for the replys
    One of my guys did weld a bracket onto the side of the frame.

    The tach shows no rpm on cranking. No wires were disconnected other than the cam sensor (I'm Positive the cam sensor is connected correctly)
    BTW the new cam sensor is the sealed type. They said install without the shim. Cyl head never came off engine.

    Old fuel did have some coolant in the bottom of tank. I do think the injector cups need to looked at, but that shouldnt make it not start. I did the fuel into a bucket thing. Both supply and return into different buckets. Still wont start.
     
  11. txviking

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    Did they take the normal precautions about welding on an electronic engine truck? Disconnect ECM connectors, locate ground away from ECM etc?
     
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