Advanced logging - Split sleeper berth explained

yup, I was gonna say that, but you got here first.

Man, I hope Logs is ok.

 

I am fine guys, sorry I have worried you (((

I just don't have internet and now my son has allegadly lost my power cord.

I am trying to save money to get my own place (deposit&1st mth rent stinks)
so I can enjoy the internet again.

I will update my I am going to miss you all thread

 

After the 8 hour break your new 14 hour would end # 6:00 pm. You count over 22 hours from the end of the 2 hour break.
You are counting from the end of the previous break (2 hr brk) 14 hour. In that 14 hour window you had 8 hours in the sleeper so you get to extend it by 8 hours. So when coming off the 8 hour sleeper break you go to the end of the 2 hour break and count over 22.

When you are coming off your 2 hour break (or more) go to the end of the 8 hour break and count over 14 hours and that's your final 14 hr window.

Now driving time: Add up the driving time in between the 8 & 2 (answer is 5.5) Take that and subtract it from 11 (will always take away from 11)

so you

11-5.5= 5.5 so you have 5.5 hours to drive from 9:30 am (day 2) to 6:00 pm.

I hope I did my math right!



Sorry it took so long

 

Your 14 always restart # the end of the previous break


so if I have driven 5, slept 8 and driven 6 and taken 2 I will go to the end of the 8 and count over 22 hours (22 because I just came off the 8 hr break)

If I have drive 5, sleep 2 and drive 6 and take 8 I will go to the end of the 2 hr break and count over 14 hours.

There is a simple cheat sheet that should keep you out of violation

Remember always you can take more than 2 hours or more than 8. If you take 4 hour break that is considered your 2 hour break but you count over 14 hours from the end of the 4 hr break.

If you sleep 8.5 hours consectuvie you can actually count over 22.5 from the end of the 2 hour break.

Daughter on nerves hope that comes out right. But i think I said it right

Just remember your 14 hour will restart from teh end of the previous break (being your 8 or 2) ignore any stupid break smaller than 2 & 8.

Driving time you always add up the driving time between the 8 & 2 and subtract it from 11 and that's how many hours you have available to drive.

The point is you can't drive 11 and then split. One of the 2 or 8 hour breaks must be there to start a split.

 

Split breaking is still very usefull and almost works the same. The only difference is the 2 does not extend (yes that's the part that stinks I know) and you must have 8 in the sleeper

 

You say the 14 always restarts at the end of the previous (first) break. He said his first break ended at 2000. Where did I go wrong?

 

Firstly, as a newbie to the industry I am thankful for threads like these.

I drive for one of the "Training Companies", and that's fine. Isn't going to stop me from reading this thread until my eyes bleed if I have to- if it means getting a solid grasp on the split sleeper provision. I agree 100% that it is a very useful tool to put in ones box of knowledge.

Especially if it will help me become a more efficient driver. I'm glad my company doesn't look down upon the sleeper split. I had to do one in order to pick up a load, and the only reason I didn't keep driving is because I was too tired. Sleep pattern didn't really let me sleep for the 8 hours I was in the sleeper.. However at least it allowed me to pick up my load and get rolling. If my company had been as ludicrous as to "ban" using the split.. I would have had to turn down the load and lose some earning potential.

Not cool in my book.

So, thank you to those of you out there working to make sure greenhorns like me can get a grasp on this and use it to our advantage, and become rounded, successful drivers. Thumbs up to you!

 

Hey Rawlco I think you have done a wonderful thing with the split sleeper explaination but if you would allow me to show an easier way of determining split sleepers I would appreciate it. A easy way to answer your example is to add 14 hours to the last 10 plus hours off. That would be 10:00 am on day 1. Any number to itself is 12 hours plus 2 will give you the end of the 14 hour day. In your example that would be at midnight. Where is driver, in sleeper and have been for 8 hours. This stops the 14 hour clock and because driver did not driver over the 14 hours we know that the 14 hr rule was not broken on day 1. now we will need to apply same formula to the 11 rule by adding 11 hours to the drive line only on day one starting at 10:00 am. This is a total of 8 hrs on day 1 and the 11 hr rule was not broken. Since there was no violation on Day 1 the new 14 hr rule will begin at the end of the first complete split break. This would be 21:00 h/hrs on Day 1. So add 14 hours to 21:00 h/hrs skipping the a hour break will reveal where the 14 hour day will end or go into violation. So any number to itself is 12 then add 2 to get the 14 hour day. So if you start at the new 14 hr day at 21:00 to 09:00 h/hrs on Day 2 equal 12 hrs but there is an 8 hour break that isn't or shouldn't be included in the count. Add all hours from 21:00 h/hrs to midnight which equals 3 hrs. Subtract 3 from 14 will equal 11 hrs that you may work up to once driver returns back to duty at 08:00 h/hrs. So any number to itself is 12 hours which equals 20:00 h/hrs minus 1 will give the time your 14 hour rule will end or where your 14 hr violation will occur if driver is on the drive line at that time. So where is driver 11 hours after coming back on duty at 08:00 h/hrs? He is still driving at 19:00. This is an 14 hr rule violation. Now let's apply the same rules to determine the 11 hour rule. By adding 11 hours to the end of the first complete break which is at 21:00 h/hrs on Day 1 (count drive line only) would be 3 hrs up to midnight. Now 3 minus 11 equals 8 hrs. This means driver can only drive 8 more hours once he returns back to the drive line only. If you add 8 hrs to 08:00 h/hrs on day 2 would mean driver needs to stop driving by 16:00 h/hrs. Where is he at 16:00 h/hrs, he is on the drive line which is a 11 hour rule violation. So QTC or Quick Time Count enables you to determine quickly where the 14 hour rule ends and if there is a 8 hr break, continue count once driver has returned back to work or at the end of the 8 hr break. I hope that was helpful and easier to understand. Thank you for the clarification of the hours of service.

 

Banning split logging is basically what they did when they came up with this last mess. They make it difficult to keep track of and I'm sure the D.O.T cops are not any better at figuring out what they are looking at even when its done properly. I did hear from a reliable source that they are entertaining the idea of putting a portion of it back the way it was. What I heard...take it for whats its worth. They are supposed to be looking at going back to off duty and sleeper time not counting against the 14 hour rule. I hope there is some truth to it but like everyone else I'll have to wait and see.

 

To many drivers think they can sleep 8 hours in the sleeper berth, log on duty not driving to do pre trips, start driving for 3 hours get to the shipper and find out that its going to take 4 hours to get loaded, so they log back into the sleeper for 4 hours thinking they are stopping the 11 and 14 hour clock and then when loaded they drive for 8 more hours, they think they have driven 11 hours and been on duty for 11 hours but that 4 hours in the bunk does not stop the clock and they are illegal, they have argued with me till there red in the face but, you can just pop in and out of the sleeper berth and log it as off duty to try to save driving time. When you log in you must drive 11 or not go over 14 and then take a 10, the only way you can log sleeper berth is using the split method, so you guys and gals better wise up the dot is going to get you for doing this..