air brake test

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  1. heavyhaulerss

    heavyhaulerss Road Train Member

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    Trying to figure out what I need to do on my air brake test. on my truck with both the truck & trailer brake yellow & red knobs in & pumping brakes, they pop out right at 1-3 p.s.i. just about when the needle is bottomed out. however if I build pressure up to 120 p.s.i. or 100 or anything over 60 & then push in yellow,red knobs & take lose my red air line from truck to trailer at glad hand, then the knob pops out at 40 p.s.i. or there about. the times I got checked by d.o.t. they would do the in cab air bleed down test. that test would have my valves pop out at near 0 p.s.i. I don't think that would pass. I changed the in dash brake valve, (yellow/red) is there something else I need to do? when I first got the truck, they would pop out at 25-40 p.s.i.
     
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  3. KaptainKenworth

    KaptainKenworth Bobtail Member

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    With both buttons in (the normal run con​
    figuration), if the
    supply pressure to the push-pull valves is reduced to
    approximately 20 to 45 P.S.I., the red button (trailer supply
    valve) must pop out, applying the emergency or parking
    brakes on the trailer. If the red button is held in manually
    and the pressure decreases to approximately 20 P.S.I.,
    a tripper piston within the MV-3
    ® valve will move upward,
    exhausting the trailer supply, effecting the required nonoverride

    feature.

    OPERATIONAL TEST​
    [SIZE=2][COLOR=#231f20][LEFT]1. With supply pressure at 120 P.S.I., push the red button
    in. The button must stay in.
    2. Slowly reduce pressure in both service reservoirs. The
    red button must pop when supply pressure drops to 20
    to 45 P.S.I.[/LEFT]
    [/COLOR][/SIZE]
    [FONT=Arial][SIZE=2][COLOR=#231f20][LEFT]Note: [/LEFT][/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][SIZE=2][COLOR=#231f20][LEFT][/left][/COLOR][LEFT][/left][/SIZE][LEFT][/left]
    [FONT=Arial][SIZE=2][COLOR=#231f20]The yellow button [/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][COLOR=#231f20][FONT=Arial][SIZE=2][COLOR=#231f20]must not [/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][/COLOR][FONT=Arial][SIZE=2][COLOR=#231f20][/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Arial][SIZE=2][COLOR=#231f20]pop out before the
    red button.
    3. Hold the red button in and continue to reduce pressure
    in all service reservoirs. Air must start to escape from
    the exhaust port when the trailer supply line pressure
    reaches 20 P.S.I. minimum.
    4. Release the red button and rebuild the supply pressure
    to at least 120 P.S.I. Push in the yellow button; the
    yellow button must remain in.
    5. Charge the system to 120 P.S.I. and push both buttons
    in. Pull the red button out. The yellow button must
    remain in.
    6. Push the red button in and pull the yellow button out.
    The red button must pop out almost instantaneously.
    7. Build both service reservoirs to 120 P.S.I. Decrease
    the pressure at the secondary reservoir. The primary
    reservoir pressure should not drop below 100 P.S.I.
    Repeat the test for decreasing primary reservoir
    pressure. The secondary reservoir pressure should
    not drop below 100 P.S.I.
    8. If the MV-3[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT]
    [FONT=Arial][SIZE=1][COLOR=#231f20]® [/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Arial][SIZE=2][COLOR=#231f20]valve fails to operate as described, replace
    or repair it using genuine Bendix parts.
    9. Close all reservoir drain ####s and deliberately caused[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT]
    [SIZE=2][COLOR=#231f20]
    leakage points before placing the vehicle in service.
    [/COLOR][/SIZE]



    Note: Bendix is not aware of any federal legislation that specifies the pressure at which the YELLOW
    parking brake control valve must automatically "trip" to apply the vehicle parking brakes. This includes the
    Federal Motor Carrier Safety Regulations (FMCSR) for in-use vehicles, the CVSA out-of-service criteria,
    and the Federal Motor Vehicle Safety Standards (FMVSS) for newly manufactured vehicles. Although
    the "trip" pressure for the parking brake control valve is not stipulated for in-use or newly manufactured
    vehicles, a parking brake control valve "trip" pressure of 20-40 psi is currently (02/2009) specifi ed as
    part of the Commercial Driver License in the CDL Manual. The CDL Manual is not consistent with the​
    regulations cited above. See Bulletin TCH-003-051.


    Hope this helps....Cheers
     
    heavyhaulerss and txviking Thank this.
  4. heavyhaulerss

    heavyhaulerss Road Train Member

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    that helps. what I noticed, just came back in from working on truck on other issues, had to change out cab jack & let air out of sys. I got in truck & noticed the number 1 air tank had 0 p.s.i. the number 2 air tank had 60-70 psi. I pushed the red button in & it stayed in. i pumped brakes until the no 2 tank was approx 30-40 p.s.i. & then it popped out. what is going on is the number one tank according to gauge drops to 0 p.s.i. & the valve does not pop out until the second gauge reaches a low of 30-40 p.s.i. would this get me shut down, by d.o.t.. the reason I ask is I have had different shops & different d.o.t. tell me yes & no. one d.o.t. did a test on my truck, he was a local guy I knew. he told me to start truck up & leave it run with both valves in & he unhooked the red line going to trailer & the valves dynamited. he told me I was fine, cause when truck is off & no movement, it may take longer to dynamite valve, where if I was driving the littlest movement would dynamite the valves when right near or at the required p.s.i. ?????
     
  5. heavyhaulerss

    heavyhaulerss Road Train Member

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    Thanks much:biggrin_25520:
     
  6. Pablo-UA

    Pablo-UA Road Train Member

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    Sounds like tank filling valve goes bad. I'm not sure what kind of air procession system is used, may be four way valve, may be every valve for every tank.

    on some trucks I saw aditional valves that let air fill tnak #1 from tank #2 as redundance thing, but not let #2 tank loose to much air (not lower 4 bar as I remeber)
     
  7. Boffo

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    My t2000 is having same problem yellow knob does not pop out till t hits 0psi and even after that it doesnt pop all the way out any ideas whats going on?
     
  8. WitchingHour

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    It may be the knob itself. T2000 has been out of production since 2008, so if you have the original MV3 valve in there, it's seen a whole lotta use by this point.
     
  9. Boffo

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    I just changed it right now and same thing pops out close to 0psi
     
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