Replacing all of the rotted air lines in the 359 Pete. Should I go to the effort of using color coded green and orange lines for the primary and secondary air systems or just put it all back in black plastic? Also, lots of jic fittings. Have not found a plastic line to jic adapter so I thought I would just get rid of them. What is your preference - push in fittings or the brass with ferules and why? My newer rig is all push in and much easier to remove a line later rather than cutting a ferule off.
Air Line replacement
Discussion in 'Heavy Duty Diesel Truck Mechanics Forum' started by Hogleg, Apr 17, 2017.
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Color is your preference, me personally, I'd go with the correct colors just to make things easier in the future if there's a problem. One of my first jobs, I help plumb an old KW. I've seen all the charts and had brake training, but doing that really gave me a much better understanding of the dual brake system. To this day, I still think about those orange and green lines when I have an air leak on only 1 side.
Brass with ferules is hard to beat for reliability, but really suck to put on something like a foot valve, or in any tight places. Push-ins are easier and can be just fine as long as you get quality ones. I haven't had any issues with Parker brand. They have a plastic body, but the push-in parts are brass. Most of the one ones that have a plastic release collar, either end up leaking, or I can not get them to seal again once I take them apart.
This is what I use, and where I get them:
https://shop.tifco.com/catalog/category/id/4.64.1650wore out, Cottonmouth85, Hogleg and 2 others Thank this. -
Is 3/8 ok for most of the lines? I am referring to replacement of those heavy rubber lines that are about 1 inch in exterior diameter going to the primary and secondary tanks. Also used to connect from the distribution blocks to the brake chambers. Where they connect into the tanks are usually not very large of an ID, or should I use 1/2in for the main air supply routes and 3/8's for post valve runs to the back of the truck? Keep rubber for areas of flex?
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The OD is irrelevant it is the ID that matters. Even if the hose has a fitting at the end with a smaller ID do not reduce the hose ID. The reduced ID of a hose of over several feet can reduce the air flow more than a restricted fitting. Changing the hose sizes changes the time required for brake application and release.
Replace sizes as original. Keep both sides the same, 90's, 45's, and straights.
I prefer to use rubber between the frame and axles. Plastic for everywhere else, it does an excellent job and is inexpensive. I am also old school compression fittings but that was some interesting info on push in's from GrapeApe.Hogleg, SAR, GrapeApe and 1 other person Thank this. -
Our newer kenworth factory push pull fitting stink. I have changed more fittings on them and they all seep. My 2001 I have only changed 1 brass fitting in the last year. Probly 4 each per year on the newer kenworth.
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Quick question - as I study the piping I see an issue. They have a relay valve in the back to run the service brakes. Off the main supply for the valve coming from the rear axle tank, they feed the air bag leveling valve and the relay valve thru a tee. This sounds wrong to me. A massive failure in the air bag system could cause loss of air pressure in the service brakes. I think I should re-route the air supply for the bags to the front axle reservoir thru a check valve. My 1977 Peterbilt service manual shows no piping for the air bag system that I can find anywhere in the manual.
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@Tug Toy are those the ones with the plastic rings?
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On my Pete the leveling valve is fed independently from the passenger side air tank. There is a check valve there that opens at 45lbs? And closes at 65? Cant remember the exact numbers. It prevents what you're worried about. A good parts guy will explain it better.
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Thanks! Dr. Google helped me figure out that it is called a PR4 protection valve. Just what I need.
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I completely agree with this post. Haven't personally used the Parker brand, but after looking at them they do appear to be a happy medium between user friendly push clip and good old reliable brass.
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