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Catch 22.....someone finally gets it!

Remember, these rules are written by NON-TRUCKER WANNA-BE LEGAL EAGLES, not much common sense is in play.

When did you last sleep 10 hours, or even 8 for that matter, I havn't since I was teen-ager, and then only cause the party was just a bit out of hand the night before. Now days, I sleep maybe 5 or 6, then what to do to fill the ten.........CATCH 22!

Doesn't change my explanation at all, please reread my post and you will see what I am saying doesn't change any circumstance of the post.

 

Hey, I still don't know my neck size(wife is buying shirts), so I guess I am not fit to drive....

 

Why didn't you just show arrival,hit the bunk for 11 straight,flag a Safety Check and roll with the load ?
You would have reset your 14 and had 11 to run.

 

Again, doing as you suggest, show arrival, then log up to sleeper.

If something were to happen, accident with another vehicle, bump a pedestrian..your log shows you in the sleeper, whenin actuality you are operating the vehicle and your log has put you at fault because you should not have been operating the vehicle due to your duty status showing line 2. Even if you were not "at fault" in the incident, your incorrect, false log, makes you at fault.

Bottom line...CYA

This is not correct, this would be an example of logging the minimum allowed of time...15 minutes, you would have to show the 15 min. on line 3 (driving) however since you can combine multiple short stops in the same municipality, you would put this 15 "driving", then, begin your sleeper 10 hrs. This would still be in driving as you got to the desination.
10 feet, or ten miles..must be shown on line 3, as in the "guidance" part of the response.

At no point in this discussion did this come up, but now that you do bring it up, "Averaging" miles traveled is illegal, and if caught, the driver and the company can and will be hit severely.

So the 6/10th mile must be given 15 minutes, when it actually only takes less than 5 to do.

 

In 2006 U.S.Xpress was audited and cited for 10 counts of document falsification . No doubt the actual number of falsifications number in the hundreds if not thousands if you think about all the USX trucks you see speeding through 55 m.p.h. zones . They were fined $7,500 and I saw no penalties mentioned for drivers . I don't consider fining a company with billion dollar annual revenue $7,500 severe . The worst offenders escape potential prosecution . It's the drivers and management of small carriers the OIG prosecutes for lesser offenses . Now if a driver for a large carrier kills half a dozen people because he was pushed to violate HOS the fines will be heavier but it will still be the driver alone in court facing criminal charges . Proper enforcement could put an end to driver abuse . Put the CEO of U.S.X behind bars and watch the attitude change in the industry .

 

I am appalled!. I have 1.2 million miles accident free in a tractor/semi-trailer. Many years ago the USDOT had an undercover operation designed to check on the state inspectors of which I was a part, and I did write some rules while TDY in DC. There were only about 50 people in all of the USDOT that knew about it and that includes all branches of the USDOT. I dare say that I wasn't within your realm of a trucker wanna-be's. You'd be surprised at how many federal inspectors can drive a truck!

And by the way, Mike MD is correct in his statements Re. highways so long as the driving public can use that road in the truck stop.

As far as Miakica is concerned: yes you were supposed to log the time at the gate as line 4 per the rules, then the driving time to the other place, then the time waiting as line 4 per the rules, then the driving (assuming the line 4 waiting time didn't take you past the 14th hour), then the loading as line 4 time which probably would have taken you beyond the 14th hour & you would have then been required to take a legal consecutive rest period. This is required pursuant to 395.2 at (3) and (4).

 

Here is where I have to take issue with you. Along with the 1000's of other hourly paid/salaried people who "know" trucking.

The numbers are there, why haven't you and others done something meaningful to correct the problem ? Rather than pandering to the drivers and the public.

I know that you know how to get an immediate correction of this problem. Why can't we get it done ???

Believe me when I tell you there are enough drivers out here who would stand side by side with law enforcement....if you tried to get it corrected.

Even JUST minimum wages (plus overtime) for all hours away from home/terminal. Would be a vast improvement for many drivers out here now.

OTR is a thing of the past. Running drivers for weeks on end, is a thing of the past. The logistics are in place, to keep drivers within 100 miles of home. But companies refuse to utilize it.

O/O's would still be allowed to run freely, under contract etc.

Why can't law enforcement come to us for support ?? I would be there in a heartbeat.

 

you better find out quick lol. This is going to be a consideration in the new federal guide lines coming down the pike for driver fitness.