Big Cam PT Pump issues

Discussion in 'Heavy Duty Diesel Truck Mechanics Forum' started by Bank79, Jun 5, 2021.

  1. Bank79

    Bank79 Bobtail Member

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    Took a rebuilt PT Pump off another truck and put it on our 444 and now it takes 12 seconds To kill the motor, it’s dialed all
    The way out like the one we pulled out, but the key off takes
    Forever to shut off. Idle is good and Throttle response now good to. No leaks Anymore but when I rev up the motor it hangs up on the rpms forever. Anyone else go through this? I know we had a #5 button in it.
     
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  3. RocketScott

    RocketScott Medium Load Member

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    Did you look at the governor before installing it?

    Might be hanging up or the wrong spring installed

     
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  4. BoxCarKidd

    BoxCarKidd Road Train Member

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    Check for a restriction in the fuel return lines.
    As for slow to come back to idle check for air in fuel coming into pump.
     
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  5. Dino soar

    Dino soar Road Train Member

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    Air in the system will do crazy things.
     
  6. Inderjit

    Inderjit Heavy Load Member

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    There is a knurled knob on the front of the shutoff solenoid make sure its
    screwed out all the way. Otherwise I suspect the sealing surface on the disc
    in the shutoff solenoid is not sealing.
     
  7. Bank79

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    There’s are all good suggestions. I didn’t bleed the air out of the return line, think I just pulled a total JV move. Could I bring to temp, crack line until I get good flow then tighten?
     
  8. Bank79

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    Well I Bleed from injector lines at pump. Got a steady stream of fuel after a few seconds. Only a tiny improvement, if any. Any other ideas how to bleed air from this darn PT Pump?
     
  9. Dino soar

    Dino soar Road Train Member

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    It's not that you have air in the system it sounds to me like your pump itself is sucking air.

    Go underneath while it's running and shine a flashlight up there and see if you see any wetness. No leaks from the throttle Shaft or from the governor cover or plug? Are you sure you installed the filter o-ring that goes up around the threads? Recheck that your fuel line pulling from the tank has no leaks.

    Common problems are that the throttle shaft sucks air because the seal goes bad, and it's also common that the fuel lines from the tank to the pump internally collapse, Make sure that your tank vent is not clogged, and it's also common that from inside the tank the draw tube actually cracks and you suck air, and the pump itself can have a problem that it doesn't pull the fuel correctly. The pump itself may need to be rebuilt. The return line to the tank has to have no restrictions also. That can also internally collapse.

    You need to isolate whether it's the pump itself or whether it's a problem from the tank to the pump. Get a bucket of fuel and put it up high like on a ladder and gravity feed the pump and see if your problem stops. Set it up so that the return line runs back into the bucket. If you do this and you are still having a problem the pump itself is having an issue.

    Make sure you prime the filter and you fill the fill port on the pump.

    Then you will know if it is a pump problem or a tank/line problem.
     
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  10. Bank79

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    615BCCB6-1F1F-42EB-BBFA-4C68C464DA8B.jpeg 6E624805-450D-40F2-8B8B-B97C374547B9.jpeg Thanks you very much. I will be trying these methods. The pump was taken off from a working truck and rebuilt two years ago so this will be interesting to see where the Air is coming from.
    Attached are some pictures, one of them appears to be some kind of dampener, it goes to the side of the shut off valve.
    The pump came off same year truck and same cpl but I had to switch two fittings to configure it the way it was before I took off the leaking pump.
    The AFC has one line to the manifold above it and one going to the NTC box by way of a dual fitting. This is not how it was set up before, before it only had one line from the AFC up to the manifold. The fitting splitter used to be in the side of shut off valve one line going to NTC box and one going to the orange cylinder in the picture attached . I thought that was a little odd
     

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  11. BoxCarKidd

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    Is there another line off the canister on the back of the after cooler or is it just a surge tank?
    How many lines are connected to the fuel solenoid? Are those pictures of two different set ups - pumps?
     
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