Buttonhook right-hand turns

Yup. I thought we had this settled but I guess not. As long as everybody keeps being civil and doesn't let the thread become a brawl with personal insults and snarky comments it can stay.
So far so good.

 

I’m more concerned with how much you were shaking drawing that picture. You need a drink and maybe some Valium.

 

Don't drive angry! Dooon't driiive aaangry...

 

You are overthinking this as there is a signal there. What happens if you need to turn in a driveway and there is a car blocking you?
Same thing as here. You slow/stop on Elm, wait for the driveway or road to clear and then you turn. The 10 cars behind you? That's their problem not yours. If they can't go around safely, they can wait.

 

Depending on how much traffic there is, I think this is probably the best answer for the situation. There's a store I deliver to regularly that has a similar intersection that's always very busy. I'd be tying up traffic too long to wait for the intersection to clear enough to make the right turn, if it ever did. Even though it's not the most direct route, I take the few extra minutes to come in the other way and make a left.

 

So...I personally would not have the car back up. I don't like to make people accommodate me. Personal preference.

Being hourly and in a daycab, my options are plentiful. I can sit and wait the situation out...sometimes this is fine, if there's absolutely no traffic around. But if I think it's likely a car is going to come up behind me, I'll buttonhook.

Now regarding the turn itself, if absolutely nobody is around, I'll buttonhook to where I'm WELL past the yellow line and crank the wheel hard to the right so I'm entering the lane before I even get to the yellow car.

If that car needs to back up for me to make the right turn, though, I'm waiting before I start my turn.