OK, well maybe the result of my investigation will be to decide it is not worth the hassle. Nevertheless, there are too many times I feel pressured to drive fatigued because of the ###### 14 hr window and too many times I can't drive when perfectly physically able. Who doesn't want to get around that nonsense. Are you saying it is just too hard or to risky to "manage" one's logs accordingly?
Cheating on logs
Discussion in 'Trucking Industry Regulations' started by dogtrucker, Dec 6, 2013.
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I see a lot of people browsing this thread but not posting. That tells me they are here for the same reason I started it: INFO ON PAPER LOGS.
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What I used to do is what I called "squeezing" my log book. What I mean is the day I am driving, I would have everything perfectly legal. Then, at the end of the day, I'd redo the log so I can remove all of the crap, as I called it, and optimize my hours, so the next day I'd have as many available hours as possible. I also always used small towns for locations. For example, if I started out in Harrisburg, Pa going west to Indianapolis, In. I'd use, say, Lemoyne, Pa as a starting point and Danville as a finish point. The only time I used actual towns if for pick up and delivery locations. The reason for this it that any experienced DOT officer knows where Harrisburg and Indianapolis is, but not Lemoyne or Danville, and the mileage is pretty much the same. If you always do that, then they have to break out the atlas to see where the towns are to calculate your mileage. Most DOT officers are as lazy as truck drivers, (pun intended), and will just divide your hours by miles to see if you were speeding.
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You can manage one's logs accordingly. Depending on how you run. If you were like me you said to heck with matching up fuel stops. That wasn't going to happen. You can even say to heck with trying to match where you picked up loads. Its a lot of work to be successful at cheating and that success can only come if you don't get dinged in an accident. Just remember if you run hot for 1 week. Then in 5 months you get into a serious accident. They can go back and show you have a history of not following the rules. Hopefully you will have a trucker friendly jury which I doubt, and they may give you a break. Other then that be prepared to spend time with bubba. Ya I made 70,000 plus a year doing that but again I am making 60,000 on elogs, and no I don't do everything perfect, but a lawyer or dot officer is going to have to do their homework to find out where I snagged a couple of minutes here and there. Yes the rules sucks and yes the law will give you some breaks here and there, but to just say I'm driving 1,000 miles a night no matter how long it takes is bending the rules a little bit. Lord only knows how many times I could of ended up in a ditch trying to keep awake on those long nights. Then spending 30 minutes or more trying to figure out how I can make my log book legal when I could of been using that time for sleep. But do what you want to do buddy. Just hope they don't find this website of you trying to get info about breaking the rules. Which I'm sure they will. Its just to easy these days to get busted my friend. Cell phone pings, Shipper and reciever camera's, time stamp, fuel matching. Scale houses that document the times you go through. Toll receipts you name it. But if you want to be an outlaw go right ahead. I also have fatigue hit me at times and I have to scream at myself, or slap myself to make it to the next safe place to park. So I do understand you don't have to do 1,000 miles a night to get sleepy. You can do 2 or 300 but in those times. I'd rather be late then in a ditch. Good day sir.
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Thanks for the post! May I ask some follow up questions:
1 )Is this any different than what we can already do by editing e-logs?
2) Is choosing small towns a means of logging shortest rather than fastest route?
3) Finally, since mileage has to match truck odometer, I don't quite get how to drive more miles than I log. -
Oh don't get so huffy - I never said anything about 1000 miles a day. On the contrary, I objected to the HOS pressuring us to drive fatigued. Maybe significant "cheating" can't be done safely now-a-days or maybe you just don't know how. The purpose of this thread is to gather info to make informed decisions - preaching only sways a mush-head.
And the "Big Brother is watching you" threat sounds like intellectual oat-meal to me
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Back a few years ago, most of us did. Now, with enforcement the way it is, it doesn't make sense. Logging legal/ elogs doesn't mean no money. My paycheck today is almost $2000. Logging completely legal on an elog. It can be done and it is done all the time. A good driver doesn't need to cheat. A good driver is successful doing it legal.luvtotruck, rocknroll81, misterG and 1 other person Thank this.
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Are you an O/O? If not, may I ask who you drive for? If I just earned more, maybe I would not care. Still, I hate being pressured to drive fatigued some times because of the 14 hr window.
Really you don't cheat on the e-log? Do you really stay on duty for your loading/unloading time? - that at least seems unnecessary. -
I do have a problem with the new rules and requirements --but i dont drive anymore so they dont effect me. However i am a 6 hour a night sleeper and naps work well for me.
If i sleep 6 and have to sit around bored for 4 hours, then drive to a receiver, drop load, wait for dispatch, dead head to next shipper and try to run i would be exhausted and a nap would screw me in the 14 . -
I am sure he will answer --but Joeseph is a hard runner as per previous post's and no rookie --lets just say "one of the last of the Mohicans" -- he is posting big miles for a week and will certainly be one to talk to if i "Truck" again.joseph1135 and dogtrucker Thank this.
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