Coils Question

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  1. Clasix1055

    Clasix1055 Even when I'm wrong I'm right

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  3. Clasix1055

    Clasix1055 Even when I'm wrong I'm right

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  4. Clasix1055

    Clasix1055 Even when I'm wrong I'm right

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    image.jpg Step 5 (step 6 and 1 look the same) this is a 48,370lb coil shotgun loaded .... Any questions?
     
  5. CAXPT

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    Actually, yes. :D

    Where is either step 6 or step 1?
    If this is a 48,370 lb coil, and subject to DOT Aggregate half weight securment which would equal 24,185 lbs where is the rest of the securement?
    If those chain pulls equal 5500 or 6600, and the chains and binders also equal 5500 or 6600, you only show 16,500 or 19,800 respectively of securement.
    If you add a strap of 5400 lb capacity that makes the figures either 21,900 or 25,200. The second figure would qualify for the required minimum amount, but not the first.
    :D
    You asked if there were any questions.
     
  6. CAXPT

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    I need to do a coil soon so I can document mine, but my company had me haul one and that was probably 2 years ago...so I don't even carry the timbers or rubber anymore.
     
  7. Clasix1055

    Clasix1055 Even when I'm wrong I'm right

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    Step 1 and 6 is the untarping/tarping (picture of the truck)

    Step 2 is showing the rack set up

    Step 3 is placing the coil in the rack

    Step 4 is the horseshoe securement left and right side 2 chains @ 6,600 = 13,200

    Step 5 is the cross or x in the middle from left front to right rear and right front to left rear 2 chains @ 6,600 = 13,200

    4 chains @ 6,600 (weakest point is floor chains) = 26,400 half of 48,370 is 24,185
     
  8. TripleSix

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    Thumbs up on the pics. Next time, can you show a pic with 6 chains (do a horseshoe for the guys who doing know what it is)? Also, while you're at it, take a pic from the ground on the side of the trailer to show the angle of the chain from the side. And show the straps and everything from the side of the shotgun load. (note to ADMIN, please bookmark the completed set of pics)

    to the casual observer: I wouldn't want to go any farther forward or rear than the pockets he put the cross chains on. We run 53 ft steps with the spread all the way to the rear of the trailer. The step is deceiving...it makes the center of the trailer appear to be where the marker light is. Put a heavy coil there and you will be like Mr Blind Driver, stuck at a scale, trying to figure out how to move the behemoth. If you are unsure, measure from the kingpin to the center of the spreads for total distance, divide by 2 to find the halfway point. You can pace it off...it will get you close enough.
     
  9. Autocar

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    Incorrect, Sir. As your horseshoe chains count the same as a direct tie down, the two of them only are worth 3,300 lb WLL each, or 6,600 lb WLL combined. You have a combined total of 19,800 lb WLL, not 26,400 lb WLL. You have come up short of being in compliance by 4,385 lbs and you are also missing the required securement over the top, from side to side.
    http://www.fmcsa.dot.gov/rules-regulations/administration/fmcsr/fmcsrruletext.aspx?reg=393.106

    (d) Aggregate working load limit for tiedowns. The aggregate working load limit of tiedowns used to secure an article or group of articles against movement must be at least one-half times the weight of the article or group of articles. The aggregate working load limit is the sum of: (1) One-half the working load limit of each tiedown that goes from an anchor point on the vehicle to an anchor point on an article of cargo;

    (2) One-half the working load limit of each tiedown that is attached to an anchor point on the vehicle, passes through, over, or around the article of cargo, and is then attached to an anchor point on the same side of the vehicle.

    (3) The working load limit for each tiedown that goes from an anchor point on the vehicle, through, over, or around the article of cargo, and then attaches to another anchor point on the other side of the vehicle.
     
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  10. Autocar

    Autocar Road Train Member

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    It is right here.
    http://www.fmcsa.dot.gov/rules-regulations/administration/fmcsr/fmcsrruletext.aspx?reg=393.120

    (d) Securement of coils transported with eyes lengthwise on a flatbed vehicle, in a sided vehicle or intermodal container with anchor points—
    (1) An individual coil-option 1. Each coil must be secured by:
    (i) A means (e.g., timbers, chocks or wedges, a cradle, etc.) to prevent the coil from rolling. The means of preventing rolling must support the coil off the deck, and must not be capable of becoming unintentionally unfastened or loose while the vehicle is in transit. If timbers, chocks or wedges are used, they must be held in place by coil bunks or similar devices to prevent them from coming loose. The use of nailed blocking or cleats as the sole means to secure timbers, chocks or wedges, or a nailed wood cradle, is prohibited;
    (ii) At least one tiedown attached diagonally through its eye from the left side of the vehicle or intermodal container (near the forward-most part of the coil), to the right side of the vehicle or intermodal container (near the rearmost part of the coil), making an angle no more than 45 degrees, whenever practicable, with the floor of the vehicle or intermodal container when viewed from the side of the vehicle or container;
    (iii) At least one tiedown attached diagonally through its eye, from the right side of the vehicle or intermodal container (near the forward-most part of the coil), to the left side of the vehicle or intermodal container (near the rearmost part of the coil), making an angle no more than 45 degrees, whenever practicable, with the floor of the vehicle or intermodal container when viewed from the side of the vehicle or container;
    (iv) At least one tiedown attached transversely over the top of the coil; and(v) Either blocking, or friction mats to prevent longitudinal movement.

    (2) An individual coil—option 2. Each coil must be secured by:
    (i) A means (e.g., timbers, chocks or wedges, a cradle, etc.) to prevent the coil from rolling. The means of preventing rolling must support the coil off the deck, and must not be capable of becoming unintentionally unfastened or loose while the vehicle is in transit. If timbers, chocks or wedges are used, they must be held in place by coil bunks or similar devices to prevent them from coming loose. The use of nailed blocking or cleats as the sole means to secure timbers, chocks or wedges, or a nailed wood cradle, is prohibited;
    (ii) At least one tiedown attached straight through its eye from the left side of the vehicle or intermodal container (near the forward-most part of the coil), to the left side of the vehicle or intermodal container (near the rearmost part of the coil), and, whenever practicable, making an angle no more than 45 degrees with the floor of the vehicle or intermodal container when viewed from the side of the vehicle or container;
    (iii) At least one tiedown attached straight through its eye, from the right side of the vehicle or intermodal container (near the forward-most part of the coil), to the right side of the vehicle or intermodal container (near the rearmost part of the coil), and whenever practicable, making an angle no more than 45 degrees with the floor of the vehicle or intermodal container when viewed from the side of the vehicle or container;
    (iv) At least one tiedown attached transversely over the top of the coil; and
    (v) Either blocking or friction mats to prevent longitudinal movement.

    (3) An individual coil—option 3. Each coil must be secured by:
    (i) A means (e.g., timbers, chocks or wedges, a cradle, etc.) to prevent the coil from rolling. The means of preventing rolling must support the coil off the deck, and must not be capable of becoming unintentionally unfastened or loose while the vehicle is in transit. If timbers, chocks or wedges are used, they must be held in place by coil bunks or similar devices to prevent them from coming loose. The use of nailed blocking or cleats as the sole means to secure timbers, chocks or wedges, or a nailed wood cradle, is prohibited; Code of Federal Regulations469


    (ii) At least one tiedown over the top of the coil, located near the forward-most part of the coil;
    (iii) At least one tiedown over the top of the coil located near the rearmost part of the coil; and
    (iv) Either blocking or friction mats to prevent longitudinal movement.he forward direction.

    (4) Rows of coils. Each transverse row of coils having approximately equal outside diameters must be secured with:
    (i) A means (e.g., timbers, chocks or wedges, a cradle, etc.) to prevent each coil in the row of coils from rolling. The means of preventing rolling must support each coil off the deck, and must not be capable of becoming unintentionally unfastened or loose while the vehicle is in transit. If timbers, chocks or wedges are used, they must be held in place by coil bunks or similar devices to prevent them from coming loose. The use of nailed blocking or cleats as the sole means to secure timbers, chocks or wedges, or a nailed wood cradle, is prohibited;
    (ii) At least one tiedown over the top of each coil or transverse row, located near the forward-most part of the coil;
    (iii) At least one tiedown over the top of each coil or transverse row, located near the rearmost part of the coil; and
    (iv) Either blocking, bracing or friction mats to prevent longitudinal movement.
     
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