Driver TO Dispatch?

Discussion in 'Trucking Industry Regulations' started by AdamBarnhart, Apr 14, 2010.

Log it or Not

  1. Yes Log it

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    No Dont Log it

  1. JustSonny

    JustSonny Big Dummy

    Oct 22, 2009
    Troutman NC
    Sorry to get off-topic here. (That's why I bumped the last post up again.)

    Mike, in your experience, do you believe that some/many drivers get busted simply because of the complexity of the rules, particularly HOS? I've spent a fair amount of time reading regs and, mercy Percy, those things can get reeeeeeaaaaaaal confusing.
  2. Lurchgs

    Lurchgs Road Train Member

    Feb 13, 2008
    Denver, CO
    If my 15 years prior to my CDL are any indication, office work should be logged as line 2 :)
  3. Mike_MD

    Mike_MD Medium Load Member

    Feb 4, 2009
    Tough telling, IMHO many drivers understand the gist of the HOS, 11 hours driving; 14 hours on duty while driving; 10 hours off reset 11/14; 60/70 hour rule in 7 or 8 days; and 34 hour reset for the 60/70.

    There are some segements that have some issues to contend with, i.e. local and team operations; however, many drivers know how to manipulate the HOS to their benefit.

    I've long suspected the logs kept in the truck are not the logs turned into the company. This has been substantiated many times when a driver was placed OOS for HOS violations; however, when the logs are reviewed at the carrier there is no violation. Now it becomes an investigation to identify possible false logs.

    The original poster claims Meyer Trucking, Inc. in California is a good outfit to work for. Perhaps he can explain why the carrier's driver SEA score is 82.94%. Many of the drivers are being placed OOS for 11/14, 70 hour and false log violations. Perhaps the poster can brief us on what training they offer the driver to avoid HOS violations.

    When you get to the link click on the "Driver" tab and select "All OOS Violations" from the center area.

    Be safe.
    JustSonny and The Challenger Thank this.
  4. JustSonny

    JustSonny Big Dummy

    Oct 22, 2009
    Troutman NC
    Thanks for the reply Mike. Also, I read recently that carriers with 50% (maybe less, maybe 10%. I remember something about a 1 x 10 criteria) OOS's for HOS violations found in a single Compliance Review will be forced to install EOBRs and will have to use them for 2 years following the date of enforcement. Have you run across this? I'm thinking I read about it in the Federal Register.
  5. Big_m

    Big_m Heavy Load Member

    Oct 13, 2009
    Central Maryland
    You work for a company. And they have the right to request this if they are paying you. It's 100% legal. Because you are listed as a Driver. You are on duty. You can log unlimited hours on duty not driving. You just can't drive until you ment the required off duty hours. As for telling safety man to stick it in his ear. You can do that. But I'm sure you'll no longer work there. If the company wants you to fill out a log do it. Whats it going to hurt?
  6. Mike_MD

    Mike_MD Medium Load Member

    Feb 4, 2009
    Currently the HOS have six critical sites:

    1. No logs
    2. False logs
    3. 11 hour
    4. 14 hour
    5. 60/70 hour
    6. No supporting documentation

    All of the critical and acute cites are listed in Appendix B to Part 385:

    An acute violation = 1 of 1 or 1 of 1,000 it doesn't matter

    A critical vilation has two thresholds:

    1. A pattern, i.e. 2 of 100
    2. 10% of the records checked, i.e. 21 of 210

    For DOT medical cards the FMCSA may review 8 DQ files, while 1 of 8 is more than 10%; however, it is not a pattern; therefore, to reach the critical threshold you would have to have 2 of 8.

    For logs the FMCSA may check 5 drivers for 30 days each = 150 records

    The manditory EOBR rule takes affect June 1, 2012:

    Be safe.
  7. diggergreg

    diggergreg Bobtail Member

    Jun 9, 2010
    Mike, I have my mc # and had a satifactory rating but I had to drop my insurance. I received my suspension very promptley. Do you know if my rating will be reinstated when my insurance is renewed and is there a time frame I need to be concerned about. thanks diggergreg
  8. Powder Joints

    Powder Joints Subjective Prognosticator

    Sep 25, 2007
    Rosamond, SoCal
    My question would be why am I listed as a driver legally. The logging isn't strange at all since your a driver, it keeps track of your hour very well....

    I would want to know why am I not be promoted to show my new position. Of course is it's alway the money. I would think the responsibility of dispatch should mean more money, after all that is why we do what we do.
  9. CondoCruiser

    CondoCruiser The Legend

    Apr 18, 2010
    eg, technically, if you drive one day in 2 months outside 100 miles you must maintained a log.

    But really he could let you go logless until you drive again.

    The company needs to clarify your job. Dispatcher/safety/ driver is absurd.

    Like others said though, keeping the log up is no big deal. You are getting paid to work and that's pretty darn easy work. Worst scenario is someone can steal your pen! :biggrin_2559:

    I take it you are in the makings of a dispatcher. Keep your nose clean and maintain a low profile. There is alot of eyes in an office. Be happy whatever they assign you and show a strong interest and you'll have your foot in the door for more promotions. Good Luck!
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