Drug testing

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  1. Rodzilla_1969

    Rodzilla_1969 Bobtail Member

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    WRONG. The legislation simply states FMCSA can begin ALLOWING hair testing as an acceptanle ALTERNATIVE to urine, but not until US H&HS established federal guidelines for hair tasting. There is no mandate or requirement hair testing be used, not any legislation mandating it for FMCSA-regulated drivers.
     
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  3. Crude Truckin'

    Crude Truckin' Alien Spacecraft

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    Isn’t that basically what @Moose1958 said?
     
  4. RockinChair

    RockinChair Road Train Member

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    Why would HHS have to sign off on it instead of DOT?
     
  5. Moose1958

    Moose1958 Road Train Member

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    Here is the actual text of section 5402. The critical part is in bold. Here is a LINK to the text of the FAST act, the pages are not numbered. Look for SUBTITLE D COMMERICAL MOTOR VEHICLE DRIVERS.

    SEC. 5402. DRUG-FREE COMMERCIAL DRIVERS. (a) IN GENERAL.—Section 31306 of title 49, United States Code, is amended— (1) in subsection (b)(1)— (A) by redesignating subparagraph (B) as subparagraph (C); (B) in subparagraph (A) by striking ‘‘The regulations shall permit such motor carriers to conduct preemployment testing of such employees for the use of alcohol.’’; and (C) by inserting after subparagraph (A) the following: ‘‘(B) The regulations prescribed under subparagraph (A) shall permit motor carriers— ‘‘(i) to conduct preemployment testing of commercial motor vehicle operators for the use of alcohol; and ‘‘(ii) to use hair testing as an acceptable alternative to urine testing— ‘‘(I) in conducting preemployment testing for the use of a controlled substance; and ‘‘(II) in conducting random testing for the use of a controlled substance if the operator was subject to hair testing for preemployment testing.’’; (2) in subsection (b)(2)— (A) in subparagraph (A) by striking ‘‘and’’ at the end; (B) in subparagraph (B) by striking the period at the end and inserting ‘‘; and’’; and (C) by adding at the end the following: ‘‘(C) shall provide an exemption from hair testing for commercial motor vehicle operators with established religious beliefs that prohibit the cutting or removal of hair.’’; and (3) in subsection (c)(2)— 49 USC 31311 note. 49 USC 31301 note. VerDate Mar 15 2010 06:40 Feb 24, 2016 Jkt 059139 PO 00094 Frm 00237 Fmt 6580 Sfmt 6581 E:\PUBLAW\PUBL094.114 PUBL094 ccoleman on DSK8P6SHH1 with PUBLAWLAW 129 STAT. 1548 PUBLIC LAW 114–94—DEC. 4, 2015 (A) in the matter preceding subparagraph (A) by inserting ‘‘for urine testing, and technical guidelines for hair testing,’’ before ‘‘including mandatory guidelines’’; (B) in subparagraph (B) by striking ‘‘and’’ at the end; (C) in subparagraph (C) by inserting ‘‘and’’ after the semicolon; and (D) by adding at the end the following: ‘‘(D) laboratory protocols and cut-off levels for hair testing to detect the use of a controlled substance;’’. (b) GUIDELINES.—Not later than 1 year after the date of enactment of this Act, the Secretary of Health and Human Services shall issue scientific and technical guidelines for hair testing as a method of detecting the use of a controlled substance for purposes of section 31306 of title 49, United States Code.


    I attempt to be as accurate as possible when I state something. I NEVER said Motor Carriers are mandated to use hair testing. I said and will admit my meaning is not as clear as it should be it is the FMCSA that is under the mandate to allow it, ONCE the problems get worked out and Health and Human Services approves the process. One more point, in what I made bold after the first (A) you see the word SHALL!


    shall
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    past should shəd, ˈshu̇d ; present singular and plural shall
    Synonyms of shall
    auxiliary verb

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    —used to express what is inevitable or seems likely to happen in the future
    we shall have to be ready
    we shall see
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    —used to express simple futurity
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    —used to express determination
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    —used to express a command or exhortation
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    —used in laws, regulations, or directives to express what is mandatory
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    : will have to : MUST
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  6. Moose1958

    Moose1958 Road Train Member

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    Because there are problems. Most are things like higher than normal amounts of false positives with African American hair. The science has to be worked out first!
     
  7. Moose1958

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    I would also like to add something very critical to this hair testing issue. While I am retired and no longer driving, the current situation with hair testing is 100% unsatisfactory. There are no standards of what constitutes a positive. Lab A in California might consider a THC positive to be 20 ng/mL and another in New York might say 60 ng/mL is a positive. Also, there are no built-in safeguards to keep things uniform. Lab A might use one process and the other lab something different. Also, there are no standards when it comes to having a Medical Officer review the lab findings. Not saying no Medical Officers are reviewing them, but there are currently NO standards. Official FMCSA MRO's are not supposed to be mixing these things up, at least not right now.

    IF the day finally comes that Section 5402 of the FAST Act becomes law and the proper guidelines are there all of this will change if the motor carrier wants to use hair testing instead of urine to satisfy the drug testing rules. There are a lot of nightmares currently with people being sent home for positives and later determined to not have used. I want to see this entire hair-testing boondoggle cleaned up.
     
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  8. Poppy324

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    Is millis still just doing urine screening? I have been clean and sober for over a year, no plans of ever using anything again, but still worry about follicle tests. I am scheduled to start class with Millis on October 14th and just trying to ease my mind.
     
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  9. RunningAces

    RunningAces Road Train Member

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    You have nothing to worry about at a year sober.
     
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  10. Poppy324

    Poppy324 Bobtail Member

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    That's what I've been telling myself, but it still haunts me. My situation is similar to the op. I drove until 2017 and downgraded my cdl. At the time I had no intention of returning to the industry. I wish I would have never smoked weed, but I did. I'm currently unemployed and I have realized the only job I ever truly enjoyed was truck driving, so here I am, trying to start the process over again. If I'd known then, what I know now... lol.
     
  11. MIT

    MIT Road Train Member

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    Just urine test. They test on first day of class. Occasionally from what I hear they will even do randoms to those in school.
     
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