Fly ash?

Discussion in 'Tanker, Bulk and Dump Trucking Forum' started by TheyCallMeDave, Apr 8, 2018.

  1. Chinatown

    Chinatown Road Train Member

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    I used to haul fly ash in Tennessee and never made as much as you're being offered. That's a good deal for running that stuff. It's a simple job really.
    Also had a full benefits package.
     
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  3. x1Heavy

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    If memory serves I usually put about 12 pounds on there. Being driven by a 400 horse electric air supply at the ready mix helps keeps that hose alive. I never put more than 15 on the tanker. I keep a little room near the top so that I can work with it should it develop a clog which rarely but does happen now and then.

    Ive always been loaded heavy on the stuff.

    Parts of the first posting from the OP causes questions. Gives me second thoughts. But the actual doing of flyash is not difficult. Takes a little bit of time to unload.

    Don't forget two rubber mallets with good handles. Never use metal hammers against that tanker. It will kill you before you are introduced to anyone, much less good old St Pete at the gates...

    Never, ever go top a tank with pressure in it. With one or more bolts off, that hatch will have you dead before your body lands a football field away.

    And above all. Never stop for anything. You keep moving. That plant needs that ash now. Like yesterday. Always.
     
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  4. TheyCallMeDave

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    Insightful and entertaining post as usual from you Heavy. I appreciate it. I'll be honest, their "rules and procedures" and what you're "liable" for kind of gave me a apprehensive feeling. I'll more than likely just run for the small step deck company. I wouldn't mind running CAT heavy equipment, or industrial parts etc with a laxed delivery time. Versus running flay ### and having to rush 24/7, for 500-1000 bucks less a week, and being gone the same amount of time, or more from home. I don't know. I'm waiting to hear about the actual rate that goes to the driver for that particular run that they offered for the fly ask place. They said those loads "paid really well" so we'll see what I hear back in the next hour or so.
     
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  5. Mattflat362

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    I didn't read all of this but I ran it for a while and it was boring and filthy on both ends (power plant to dump).
     
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  6. TheyCallMeDave

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    Well I spoke with dispatch and asked about the rates. I asked if you are shown the rates for the loads so you can have an idea of what you're paycheck will look like, and she replied "no sir, we only show you for what you hauled at the end of the week." I didn't get an actual RATE per load for the run I'm doing, all I was told is it's 25% of the load, and I'd average 1,000-1,500 a week, "depending on how hard you are willing to run" Although "running hard" and ELD's don't really belong in the same conversation, but that's what I was told.
     
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  7. Chinatown

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    I hauled it power plant to cement plants. They claim it makes the cement stronger, but it may be just an excuse to get rid of it.
     
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  8. x1Heavy

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    When we did percentage reefer in NE back in the 80's its not hard to determine based on 25% pay what the truck made overall minus fuel, insurance etc. I did good some weeks, others were not very well. Feast and famine.

    Being just a driver you likely will find that you can guess at the rates based on 25% of your pay but you will not have access to close held facts at the very top of whatever company you run for.

    Fly ash isnt anything special. In our time we got it out of Redfield which has a coal fired plant in Arkansas to West Little Rock. Whatever they did not get it sold to customers, they dumped in a field and that's a pretty bad job. If memory serves they go through 4 railcars worth of coal in a hour for electricity and a percentage comes out as ash. It's still very useful but nothing particularly special. It's just one of those things that go well with cement and Limestone powder.

    Had a MRI inside lungs a decade or so ago, confirmed limestone powder and other contaminants damage in the area where both lungs pass air. It's permanent. But not too bad yet since I got out of it.

    Overall tanking in bulk is routine, fun and rather trouble free provided you kept that hose alive and the product moving.
     
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  9. TheyCallMeDave

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    I hear ya. I had to fill out the application for the step deck guy today and of course it's 1099 and what I found strange, was most of the application was different than what I was told. I was told 30%, but the application said 27%, I was told he takes care of all repairs and tickets, but in the application it states that I could be liable for paying for tires for instance, if it were proven it was "driver error" if I had a blow out etc, and that I also pay tickets depending on if I'm found at "fault" I'm not sure what tickets fall under that? Obviously speeding, and the blatant tickets, but I'm not sure what could be swayed as "my fault" in an attempt to make me pay them, as opposed to him. For instance, Mr. DOT inspector looking the truck over with a fine tooth comb and finding something minimal, which could be "my fault" becasue I didn't spend an hour rolling around in the dirt looking for possible citations.

    I was also told I can take whatever route I want, but in the application it states, "you can be charged for taking out of route miles if you don't take the shortest route" which to me doesn't jive with "you can take whatever route you want," not to mention I was also told I can fuel wherever I want, but in the application it states "you can only fuel at certain spots, and if those spots aren't in your immediate area, search for the cheapest fuel" I'm not really looking to go on a wild goose chase looking for the cheapest fuel.

    So all in all, it doesn't seem much different than the fly ash gig, when the facts really come out, besides the fact I MIGHT get home a little during the week, vs only being home on the weekends with the fly ash outfit, and I SHOULD make more money per week, but being that it's 1099, it'd have to be quite a bit more to justify going 1099 as opposed to w2. He claims 1500 a week on 1099 if I stay in Texas, but I was quoted 1000-1500 average, running for the fly ash outfit on w-2. I was also told that it's very "laid back" and the appointment times are rarely "set in stone" and there's no rushing around etc, but again, the application stated otherwise.

    So, now I'm kind of comparing the 2 and they're not seeming all that different at the end of the day, minus a few small things. In the end, if something doesn't jive with what he's "told me" and I make a fuss about it, I really have no recourse since what's in WRITING, is what will be upheld. Figures. I knew it sounded a bit "too good" and we all know that classic saying. The smoke and mirrors in this industry never ceases to amaze me.

    Dave
     
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  10. x1Heavy

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    Now that is a good post. I'll have to think on that.

    Keep in mind, when you bulk tanking like I did, I was not abused much but you just cannot stop. Even 15 minutes to get coffee (Brew your own at home prior to leaving with a thermos) would put the ready mix at risk of running out. Ultimately that was one of the rubbing points with one of them. It wasnt the coffee but musical cars that needed doing when I had to be loading out of Hope AR on 30 which is rail to truck for cement by sunrise. Shrugs. Always something.

    The word 1099 tells me that you will be obligating Dear Uncle Sam for quarterly taxes on everything you make.

    There were companies that told me smoke and mirriors too at times and handed me a inch thick stack of forms to sign. What's this? That? Over these? never you mind, sign. Not until you exlain this that and these.

    Sigh, ok fine... and ended not hiring on with them sometimes. If it does not feel right it might not be.

    Good luck to you. Just look out for your self and home as much as you can.
     
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  11. Western flyer

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    Somebody's got to ask the tough questions,
    Since this job search has been going on for months now.
    You must have a lot of money in the bank by the way.

    Is there something on your driving record or DAC
    That keeps steering you to these shady bottom
    Feeder jobs. Or are you chasing the big money
    In their advertisements.

    You don't seem to want a legitimate,good,
    High paying job with a solid company that
    Doesn't Use all these gimmicks to suck you in.

    You passed over career linehaul jobs to deal with
    Old school trucking crooks.
    I'd bet everything I have ,That these places your looking
    At are run by some 65 year old ex trucker who drove
    In the 70's. Popped pills and ran coast to coast.
    Probably changed his own tires on the side of the road.

    They Bought a few trucks and here you are.
    There not smart enough to figure out all the
    New rules and regulations, so they dump all
    Responsibilities onto the driver. It's easier that way.

    They could care less what happens to you,as
    Long as they don't have to get behind the wheel
    Anymore and put up with DOT and e-logs.

    Why pay a mechanic to do a full DOT inspection.
    That comes out of his pocket.
    Driver gets a ticket, ill blame it on him, charge him for the repairs and I'll just take it out of his check.
    You fixed his truck for him or bought tires for him.
    These are dirtbag operations.

    There all over Texas. I've worked for a couple myself.
    Until I wised up and got hip to their ########.
    You take these jobs when you done something
    Wrong somewhere else and can't get a good job.

    Put up with the crap for as long as it takes to
    Clear your record,then get the hell out of there.

    We don't know what your looking for.
    Money,outlaw trucking,home time, what.
     
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