Gasoline Loading

Discussion in 'Tanker, Bulk and Dump Trucking Forum' started by GasHauler, Feb 15, 2014.

  1. John Miles

    John Miles Medium Load Member

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    I've never driven anything like that ... well, let's be honest here ... I've never even seen anything like that on the east coast ... that must be one wild ride. I take it that you only use units like that in large gas stations as it seems like it would be a real pain to put it into some of the confined spaces we service out here.
     
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  3. GasHauler

    GasHauler Master FMCSA Interpreter

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    Yeah, there're just on the west coast. But you would love them I guarantee it. We go into the same gas stations as anyone else in fact we can get into the smaller stations where a semi would not fit. I know it's looks like it would never turn to get in or out but they're set up so the trailer tracks closer to the truck than a semi. You can figure that anywhere that truck (with no trailer) can go the truck and trailer will also go. We do not have any fifth wheels to deal with and there are 2 pivot points. Both are located at the center of the truck, one where the pintle hook is on the back of the truck and then the turntable under the trailer. The turntable is fixed to the drawbar and can not be unhooked. The trailer will track closer to the truck than any other truck I've seen. The trailer only tracks maybe a couple of feet over from the truck when you turn. You can see all of our trucks if you search Mark Wayman west coast tankers where the first trucks are ARCO trucks. All of those photos are of different companies in Las Vegas with different types of set ups.

    I have no idea why the east coast has not allowed these types of trucks. They go into the older stations, you can maneuver better, and the weight is spread out better. The only draw back I see is the truck and trailer is 85 feet long. They ride real well with all that weight on the truck and they bounce much less. Also with 8 axles I can stop better. If you look close you'll see a drop axle right behind the steers. We only drop that axle when the truck is loaded. It takes a lot of weight of the steers so we can be legal. But you learn real fast to never drop or leave it down when empty. You'll have a hard time turning especially if it's wet and/or there's ice on the ground.
     
  4. Big Duker

    Big Duker "Don Cheto"

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    Depends on rack in DFW.
    Motiva in Dls or FTW around 8 minutes to load 8800. Then pull up to gate and get BOL. Exxon is similar. Only 2 reg 1 prem 1 diesel on 5 lanes. Other 2 have only diesel, slop, ethanol unloading. BOL house right there. Get bill and get going, Both average 650 + gallons per minute per arm.
    Magellans vary. Can be 10-20 minutes. Some load blended others put in ethanol and then gas.
    Direct Fuels has one arm for each prod. So about 20 minimum to load a straight load. Little less if you are getting prem or diesel as well..
    Kinder Morgan about 12-15.
    NuStar{Valero} is best rack. Keeps their stuff in top shape. Slower to get into and out of. Walk around outside gates. Put on FRC. But once in the arms are always perfectly balanced and lock right on without any arguments. 3 gas and 2 diesel on each of 4 lanes. Around 600 gpm. BOL house right there. If not busy walk over ang get. If line pull up one and go in.
    There are a few others but those are the busiest ones.
     
  5. peteman2530

    peteman2530 Bobtail Member

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    12 min loading 9000 gallons 4 compartments 3 arms gate to gate in pa
     
  6. GasHauler

    GasHauler Master FMCSA Interpreter

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    Now you're rockin.
     
  7. GasHauler

    GasHauler Master FMCSA Interpreter

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    That sounds great if all are working all the time. I know my company (ARCO/BP) would have an issue with loading the ethanol because they came up with the idea that it cost too much to load ethanol at the start or ending of the load. It dealt with temperature and how the ethanol would cool the gasoline after they monitored for the temps. I don't remember all of it but they forced the pipeline to adjust their meters to load ethanol periodically thought the load. You might start injecting at 8% then go to 15% then back down. However they did it when you finished loading a compartment say 3250 gallons the load was at 10%. If you think that's messed up have the rack crash while your loading. You can not dump the load back because it has ethanol. It can not go into transmix because it has ethanol. The only ways to fix it is to calculate how much ethanol you need and start from there and you'd better be right. If you were to get rid of it that mix it would have to go out as hazardous waste. That happened once when a common carrier mix ethanol with diesel. We had some hassles but we were also paid by the hour, every minute.
     
  8. 350steve

    350steve Bobtail Member

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    4 compartments regular,plus,super,diesel.4 loading heads.on a good day 10-15 minutes.depends on how many trucks loading up at the rack,how thr system is working on that day.port reading nj buckeye (old hess)
     
  9. casc1

    casc1 Light Load Member

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    4 arms...about 15000 gal... 2 trailers....if everything working right done in about 30 min......with the cold we have been having additive goes to almost a paste....constant injector failures now takes about 45 min.
     
  10. shredfit1

    shredfit1 Road Train Member

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    It depends on where you load... If you only need gas, there is a bay(2) in the twin cities that allows gas on 4 arms(gas only bay) and you can be out of the bay in less than 10 minutes if there is no line. I love these loads!
     
  11. rbond87

    rbond87 Bobtail Member

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    never pulled a wagon nor have a seen one besides a picture are safty guy showed us some pictures of a guy up north unloading a tank and wagon looked pretty interesting anyway motiva in tampa fl has 6 arm total per lane 1 being diesel other five are gas 3 reg and 2 blend so 90 % of the time you could use 5 arm but there a sighn on meter use no more then 3 for the reason the guy earlier stated not all trailers can handle that preasure but for conversation purpose lets say you had to load 8800 reg you have a five hole trailer 1=3100 2=1200 3=1000 4=1300 5=2600 if you hooked up all five and set the meter then soon as your 3100 compartment was done your trailer would be loaded as that would take the longest so id say aprox bout 15 min from pull under rack to leave rack
     
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