Yes and anyone that has a Qualcomm there is also latitude and longitudinal changes that are taking place , even if you went back to the same place its highly doubfull you'll get back to the same l & l.
If I remember correctly you can get to that screen starting with the system tab then dig a little deeper , I found it by accident.
Hack elogs
Discussion in 'ELD Forum | Questions, Answers and Reviews' started by jaielv, Jul 16, 2017.
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I'm not going to copy and paste this because its multi page and substantial but I'll add the screenshots if you care to enlarge it and read it yourself but here's a few excerpts.
Through testing with hundreds of
drivers, Schneider found that having
driving status trigger only off of a speed
threshold without an additional mileage
threshold is detrimental to the ELD. It
recommended that FMCSA change the
appendix to subpart B of part 395,
section 4.3.1.2, paragraph (1) to read
‘‘[o]nce the vehicle speed exceeds the
set speed threshold OR the vehicle
travels more than 1.5 miles, it is
considered in motion.’’ The commenter
believed this avoids the potential for a
tractor to move 20 miles at 2 miles per
hour without showing any driving time.
Also, in section 4.3.1.2, paragraph (2),
Schneider suggested the vehicle should
be considered stopped when the speed
reaches 0 miles per hour AND the unit
stays at 0 miles per hour for 5 minutes,
rather than the proposed ‘‘3 consecutive
seconds.’’ Commenter wrote that to
leave the threshold at 3 seconds as the
rule proposes will result in invalid duty
status changes.
Coach USA stated that support
personnel, rather than drivers, often
make yard moves, for example, when
they wash buses. The result is many
short movements within the facility by
personnel who are not drivers and never
operate a bus outside of the facility.
Under FMCA’s proposed ELD
specifications, Coach USA wrote that it
appears that all of these yard moves by
support personnel would be recorded as ‘‘unidentified driving,’’ and the carrier
would be responsible for annotating
each of these records to explain why
they are not assigned to a driver. This
would create a substantial
administrative burden for large carriers.
FMCSA Response
FMCSA acknowledges and agrees
with the commenters who stated that
ELDs, by virtue of recording all
movements, will create a visible
consistent record of all actions taken in
the CMV.
The Agency is aware that there are
concerns about personal conveyance
and yard moves, as some commenters
would like clear-cut limits on the
mileage or time thresholds for CMV
usage acceptable under personal
conveyance and yard moves. However,
the Agency does not think it is
appropriate to include these definitions
in the ELD rulemaking, as both clearly
fall under the HOS rules and are
applicable to a wide variety of CMV
operations, not just those using ELDs.
Thus, the Agency declines to address
these matters at this time
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When I started OTR a couple of years ago our elogs would allow for short and slow movement. You could move anywhere in the parking lot as long as you didn't go over 10mph. They later changed that to where if you moved more than around 100 feet or went over 3mph it logged you back on. They didn't tell us and I found out when stuck in a traffic jam with only a few minutes left before I had to take my 30. I logged off knowing I would be in the jam for at least 30 mins. You know, the kind where you creep about 200 feet and have to stop again. Well, all looked great until about 20 mins into it and it put me back on driving for the entire time. Needless to say, while looking at the truck stop I was going to take a break at, I ran out of legal time for my 30. Elogs have many advantages, but they also have many disadvantages. If they were set up the way they were when I first started using them, I would prefer elogs. I now drive local and we use paper. When it moves to elogs at the end of the year, I already told them there is no way we will be able to do the same things we are doing now. Local drivers don't put in over 700 miles a day legally. Of course, they don't understand that at all, so they will figure it out when their day drivers start turning in hotel bills.
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I'm pretty sure you can still work with your system, but you have to be proactive. That's all I'm going to say. You'll have to figure it out yourself. It's been discussed in posts past, but not is so many words.
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If the key has to be on and the engine running for elogs to work I'd like a to coin a new phrase.
Elog overdrive. It's like Georgia overdrive but leave it in gear and just turn the key off.
Those long downgrades just think of the time you could save.
I'm local and not required to log so I don't really have a dog in this fight. But.... if we could get organized I would support a shut down.
The guys that think elogs are great and everyone should like it.... well good for you. It's companies like the one you run for that have pushed for this. It's to tilt the playing field to their advantage. It's not about safety it's about money.RoadBeast848, Timin770, Dharok and 1 other person Thank this. -
There is more of us on paper than on elog so when we decide to shut the country will feel it
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Are you stating facts or is it your opinion because your statement holds no waterNotyouraveragetruckers Thanks this.
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The guys posting saying that elogs are great are trolls hired by some Fed Internet agency to post in favor of the elogs.
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Operating under hos and elogs is like somebody cutting 5 fingers on one side & 5 toes on the other and saying "let's see how the operate now" holy skits" they can still perform even with 5 toes and five fingers left and probably laugh about it.
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Nobody wants to charge or pay what it really takes to get something done. They will run more for two cheap loads than do one load at what it really costs. or should cost...
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