I driving down to Orange County today and was doing some thinking, of course. This is what I came up with.
If you have your N endorsement, but not H (or X) can you drive a fuel hauler that is empty and not placarded? Basically a tank vehicle designed for hazmat, but empty?
Or, can you drive a truck, like ConWay doubles for example, and pull the 1st trailer AND dolly, with no 2nd trailer, without your T endorsement? Is that dolly considered a trailer by itself or not? I realize ConWay probably requires your T endorsement to get hired on, but for example's sake![]()
Is this a gray area?
Discussion in 'Questions From New Drivers' started by Flying Dutchman, Dec 20, 2010.
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Yes to the first one, and no to the second. The dolly would be considered a trailer
so you would need the triples endorsement. -
Reason for asking that one, is that "Triples" are not legal in CA, but doubles are. Meaning Trailer 1, dolly, trailer 2. Even without trailer 2, it's still 2 trailers? This is where my confusion set in lol..
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BTW...fuel trucks with two tanks are most commonly truck/trailer...as the first tank is mounted to the tractor frame and the rear tank is a trailer...so they aren't doubles, but tractor/trailer. And they are a whole different world in backing!GasHauler Thanks this. -
However, if pulling a con gear without the attached trailer, the con gear is required to have a complete set of brake and turn signal lights. -
I hear ya on the backing...I drive a transfer dump so thats what i have to back every day, lol. Same setup, but I have a longer drawbar. And thats what I have always called a "truck and trailer", not a "tractor/trailer" since without the trailer, the "truck" is still capable of transporting commodity, while a standard tractor is not.
I do have my T endors. just in case I ever needed to use it, (bottom dumps) but wondered how that dolly factored in to the equation if there was no trailer hooked to it. Bottom dumps are I guess what you would call "true doubles" since there is no separate dolly for the 2nd trailer. -
You are thinking too much.
But you killed some road time. Truckers are good thinkers.
I highly doubt anyone would be put in those positions without having the endorsements and doing them jobs for a living. -
Final delivery of new trailers would be one case where you might be pulling equipment that could have a placard on it at some point. But a HM and tank endorsement wouldn't be needed.
At this stage in the game the new empty tanker is no different than a empty van trailer.
A once placarded tank can be unplacarded is if its got a certified wash out.
Make sure to have a copy of the certification with the driver.otherhalftw Thanks this. -
otherhalftw Thanks this.
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I did a very short stint on some bottom dumps, asphalt and road base...just not enough work for my taste...work a couple days and 5 or 6 off...doesn't cut it for my budget...they didn't require any special endorsement beyond the regular Doubles/Triples.
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