Is this properly secured?

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  1. Dye Guardian

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    Is either a headache rack on the truck or a bulkhead on the trailer not required here?
     
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    Headache racks and bulkheads are not required for anything.
     
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    Maybe a chain or 2 short for typical pipe loads out of Elk River MN and Roberts Wis. I could never do it nor would I want to. I think every pipe should be chained. Back in the 70's when my dad was a pipelayer he said they only used the cable over the top of the loads.
     
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    Man, I give you guys a lot of credit. I just don't have the grapes to haul loads like that. Not to say some loads I hauled in a van trailer were any safer, just seemed out of sight, out of mind was better. I hauled heavy equipment, dozers and shovels on flatbeds, but loads like these just give me the "heebie jeebies", ESPECIALLY, with no bulkhead or headache rack.:biggrin_25524:
     
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    Ain't nothing to it,i used to haul that pipe regular out of Sherman Dixie in franklin & Chattanooga tn.This was back before they made you run chains or cables the length of the load.
    They don't want chains through the pipe anymore because it breaks the ends & they can't be used. I have never hauled coils but that is because I never had too,flat steel or round stock. A 4x4 in front & back,cables or chains the length of the load & straps every 8-10 ft. & drive like you have good sense they are no problem.
    Just like anything else you have to use your head for something besides a hat rack.
     
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    [QUOTE="semi" retired;4488539]Man, I give you guys a lot of credit. I just don't have the grapes to haul loads like that. Not to say some loads I hauled in a van trailer were any safer, just seemed out of sight, out of mind was better. I hauled heavy equipment, dozers and shovels on flatbeds, but loads like these just give me the "heebie jeebies", ESPECIALLY, with no bulkhead or headache rack.:biggrin_25524:[/QUOTE]

    If you look at the larger photo of the load you can see that there is somewhat of a bulkhead made out of pipe that looks to be attached to the trailer and goes about 1/2 way up the pipe. There are also 2 each 3/8" cables that run over the load from the front to the back. Pipe is really easy to haul but hey if people do not want to haul it then more for me... .LOL
     
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    No they are simply loaded om a long skid so they can roll off. There is one binder on the front pipe and one on the back pipe with one in the middle and a wire going the length of the pipes. I havn't done flat bed before a and have a chance to get on with a local company that does work like this. I don't think I want to pursue it if they do this and it's not safe. I don't have recent experience (5.5 years ago) and took a refresher course. Still having a problem getting hired because of it. I have 13 months of experience with clean MVR, clean record, all endorsements and TWIC in process. The flat bed company I was considering is local and they seem to have nice equipment and seem to be good people.
     
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    THanks for the link!!!!!!!
     
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    Yeah I know. They are not on a skid but rather a 4x4 on each side of the trailer to keep the bells off the bed and so that they will roll. You missed a chain going through the top pipe. If there is only one cable then it should be a 1/2 inch other wise you need 2 each 3/8 inch cables. Let me assure you that it is safe and legal, that pipe will not move at all. Remember, every 10 feet you need securement. Personally I go 8 feet so I usually have an extra chain. You do NOT have to chain every pipe and straps are a no go on pipe unless you have to go over the top of everything with vboards. When pipe like this is secured properly it acts as one unit and does not move with the exception of 15" and smaller pipe. Hence the need for the vboards.

    Now if you want to calculate the working load limit you do this....

    4 each 5/16" chains = 4700x4=18,800 pounds
    2 Each 3/8" fiber core wire rope = 3000x2=6000 pounds

    18,800+6,000= 24,800 pounds of working load limit of securement. You have to have at least 50% total WLL when you are hauling pipe so you are good to 49,600 pounds of cargo. I know that this load is no where near that in weight. It is closer to 30,000 pounds you are securing. If that is only one 1/2" cable then you only loose 700 pounds of WLL vs using two 3/8" cables.

    I would say that you are good to go with these guys.
     
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    I agree with cnsper. Pipe secured like you showed in the pic is not going anywhere.
     
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