Lease/purchase program w/6 months experience?

Discussion in 'Ask An Owner Operator' started by pbrstreetgang, Mar 24, 2009.

  1. pbrstreetgang

    pbrstreetgang Light Load Member

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    Say what?

    I'm just saying that I can live with how owner operators are treated, at least how they are at places like Swift, where I did my 6 months. But I will not be jerked around anymore as a company driver.
     
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  3. Bigray

    Bigray Road Train Member

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    give us the scoop, just how were you jerked around.

    what may be jerked around to you may be a occasional occurance to me, perhaps you have'nt learned patience yet, albeit this profession takes alot of it. look forward to your reply. thx.
     
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  4. pbrstreetgang

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    I probably wasn't jerked around more than anyone else, and I have to admit, for Swift I had a nice driver manager, one who liked me. But he was gone a lot on vacations, and not there during the weekends, and usually this is when I hated driving. But besides that, there were things he couldn't control, like the fleet managers and their stupid idle time obsession.

    To make it simple and list just the main things that I think would be solved by being an owner operator:

    - Being forced NEVER to idle the truck (threatened with tiny loads or permanent DAC consequences). And by never I mean not while sleeping anyway, which is when I need it. I sleep the whole ten hours, and especially when you're stuck in Laredo for three days this brings your idle time WAY up, and anything over 20% was bad, which is just stupid. Take your idle time and shove it up your ###!

    - Crappy runs back and forth between PA and WV or within PA over and over and over and over. I'm talking 5 or 6 100-mile loads in a row. And this wasn't punishment, this was just the way it was. At least with Swift owner-operators get the good runs, and I've seen proof of this. Whenever I'd see a Swift o/o I'd ask about their runs, and they'd all say they never get a load that was less than 500 miles; at first I didn't believe but some of them showed me the list they'd written down, and it was true.

    - Crappy, tiny east coast live-loads that go 100 miles when you've got only 2 legal hours left to work and you're already parked for the day (and there are 3 parking spaces left on the whole east coast!) Refuse a load? Better have a good reason or face the consequences!

    The list goes on but really, this is not what the thread is supposed to be about, no offense. I didn't come to the forum to be a victim! Yeah, I think it sucked but my purpose was not to whine.

    What it all boils down to is this: if I thought I could get a company job, I might even try still, but I've been trying to get an OTR job for 3 months with no luck. Companies are more eager to hire if you do the owner op thing, and plus I think this would be cool because I like doing my own thing. I know lease-purchase isn't a good idea for a lot of people, and many people might think it's not good for me, but only because they don't know me. I'd really rather work for $400 a week and be my own boss than work for lots more and have to worry about all the crap I have to worry about as a company driver. I don't want to get into an accident because I was forced to drive when I'm tired (and by forced I mean it's either DRIVE when you're tired or get crappy loads for awhile after that, or even get written up). Plus ... after 3 months searching, the only two companies that will hire me are JB Hunt for sure and MAYBE TransAm ... both IF I do the o/o thing.

    Too bad my driving record sucked more than five years ago, but that's the way it goes!

    Thanks for your interest (in my screwed up life).
     
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  5. Scales19

    Scales19 Bobtail Member

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    Here are just a few of my observations, and I'm well aware I don't know everything or even think I do,

    1) 99% of DM's or whatever they are called don't work weekends, they are 40 hour a week creatures of habit, and most shlub through there week to get the paycheck at the end, not all but a fair majority I'd say

    2) the idle thing is for the saving company money on fuel and the wear and tear of the motor running at idle for 3 days, if you intend to own or lease a truck and idle it for 3 days it costs YOU money which doesn't sound like alot but say your truck burns a gallon a hour for 3 days that's 72 gallons times say 2.50 a gallon that's $180 to sit with the ac on, don't get me wrong I love ac in texas but money is money and just say you had to do that twice a month for a year that's $4,320 a year in wasted fuel, it adds up fast

    3)The short load thing can sometimes be a blessing in disguise, by that i mean if it's your truck short loads pay more per mile than long haul, not always but for the most part, 100 mile trip takes 2 hours ( just for the sake of the argument) you have to look at wear and tear on the truck and fuel being burned vs. the rate of the load say it payed 3.50 a mile ( just did one like that Mon) that's $350 bucks minus fuel # 2.50 a gallon times 6mpg(all rough guesses) that's 41.66 in fuel burned, I know there's more numbers to it but in a nutshell rate-fuel= 308.34 for 2 hours of work ( which like I said I know there's more just being general) but you have to play with the numbers on every load, I found a spreadsheet that I plug all my numbers into and it will tell me what I'll put in my wallet

    4) And lastly and I'm certainly not giving you hell for it because god knows we've all done it but planning your day to the best of your ability and knowing the logbook rules inside and out, can make the difference in 2 hours at the end of the day or 4 or whatever, just having experience(not cheating) and knowing how what and where to log something really makes a difference, and I know it's not always possible just trying to give my .02

    Anybody can run a successful operation with tons of hard work, common sense, and a good business plan, trucking is what trucking is but knowing how to adapt and overcome slow times or sitting or whatever is thrown at you makes all the difference in the world, I think

    This is just what I think now feel free to rip me apart, I can take it and hell maybe I'll learn something new today:biggrin_25511:
     
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  6. pbrstreetgang

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    I appreciate your input on these things, and I think I understand everything you are getting at. It still doesn't change how I feel about wanting my "own" truck. At this point in my life, I'm not out to make a million bucks. I want the experience and I want to not hate my job every day. With Swift as a company driver it was always RUSH RUSH RUSH, and I'm sick of that! I'd rather make less and not be so tired all the time that I'm worried about running over baby carriages and stuff.

    As far as the idle thing goes, if I'm stuck somewhere for three days and it's hot, I find something to do during the day and end up only running the truck at night, which would be 30 hours for three days, and I can handle that.

    Besides, we're all forgetting one thing here, which is that the ONLY way anyone will hire me now is if I lease a truck! Even places like Celadon want a year experience now! Seriously, the only two places who are even considering me are JB and TransAm, and this is only if I lease. Like I was saying, my record for the past five years is really good, but before that it sucked.

    I know lots of people are thinking "let him fail, let him learn for himself!" Well to that I say this: I've been sitting around for five months now making zillions of phone calls and filling out tons of applications and no one will hire me. I don't care if I only make $300 a week - I need to get back into it!

    Thanks everyone for all your advice.
     
  7. Scales19

    Scales19 Bobtail Member

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    I'm certain you have but have you tried any "mom n pop" companies around MI, like in the phone book alot of them don't advertise, other than the white pages just to have a number in there??
     
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  8. Scales19

    Scales19 Bobtail Member

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    I just found a website that has a bunch of jobs that require 6 months otr, I don't think I can put it on here but the 3 letter name of your license type and the big place where you get fuel and showers and buffets If your good at story problems you should get it,
     
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  9. pbrstreetgang

    pbrstreetgang Light Load Member

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    scales19, could you send me a private message with that website? I must not go to the same truck stops you do!

    About the Michigan jobs, I've contacted all the companies I can think of. With six months they either laugh or act like they think I'm stupid for bothering them, since they all seem to be laying people off!
     
  10. Scales19

    Scales19 Bobtail Member

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    I can't til I have 50 posts but the truckstop part is right now just put the name of the license you have in front of that C _ _
     
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  11. pbrstreetgang

    pbrstreetgang Light Load Member

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    Um um um I thought I did that ... I keep getting Chinese stuff and computer tech places! I've tried c**ta and c** and honestly I might be stupid but I don't know what you mean! Boy, they must be fussy about this url in the posts thing....
     
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