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F-2. If a driver works at another job, unrelated to trucking, during his 34-hour off-duty restart period, and then begins a duty shift for the trucking company, does the 34-hour restart provision apply?

No. Performing compensated work for a person not a motor carrier is considered on-duty time, which would interrupt the 34-hour period. Okay Im spliting hairs I looked it up Compensated work is on duty period.! Just a rebel at heart!

 

See h(4) http://www.fmcsa.dot.gov/rules-regu...r/fmcsrruletext.asp?chunkKey=0901633480023971

See number (8) in the definition of On Duty http://www.fmcsa.dot.gov/rules-regulations/administration/fmcsr/fmcsrruletext.asp?reg=r49CFR395.2
If mominlaw pays you technically it should be logged .
You wanted the regulation , there it is .

 

Compensated hours..... Hmmmmm So since I am not compensated to sit at a shipper, I should be able to log that as Off Duty, not On Duty not Driving.

 

Log it sleeper berth . It works out the same . Note the part (4) All time, other than driving time, in or upon any commercial motor vehicle except time spent resting in a sleeper berth .
That's the most controversial rule . Don't get caught in any part of the truck besides the sleeper when logging off duty , especially on a restart .

 

Yep thats what I do. The only time I'm in the drivers set or cab is when I'm moving the truck or getting in/out. otherwhise i'm in the sleeper.

 

Definition of on-duty time found at 49 CFR part 395.2

On duty time means all time from the time a driver begins to work or is required to be in readiness to work until the time the driver is relieved from work and all responsibility for performing work. On duty time shall include: (1) All time at a plant, terminal, facility, or other property of a motor carrier or shipper, or on any public property, waiting to be dispatched, unless the driver has been relieved from duty by the motor carrier; (2) All time inspecting, servicing, or conditioning any commercial motor vehicle at any time; (3) All driving time as defined in the term driving time; (4) All time, other than driving time, in or upon any commercial motor vehicle except time spent resting in a sleeper berth; (5) All time loading or unloading a commercial motor vehicle, supervising, or assisting in the loading or unloading, attending a commercial motor vehicle being loaded or unloaded, remaining in readiness to operate the commercial motor vehicle, or in giving or receiving receipts for shipments loaded or unloaded; (6) All time repairing, obtaining assistance, or remaining in attendance upon a disabled commercial motor vehicle; (7) All time spent providing a breath sample or urine specimen, including travel time to and from the collection [[Page 463]] site, in order to comply with the random, reasonable suspicion, post- accident, or follow-up testing required by part 382 of this subchapter when directed by a motor carrier; Performing any other work in the capacity, employ, or service of a motor carrier; and (9) Performing any compensated work for a person who is not a motor carrier.

 

IF you work for 2 companies: One as a truck driver and one doing warehouse, pumping gas, mowing grass (if it's a "job") then you must log that time as on-duty not driving.

All time spent working but not driving must be logged as line 4.

Now if you are home mowing your grass, aunts, granny's whatever you don't have to log it. It's a favor I would hope!

 

I can pay you to sleep for your 34 hour break that doesn't mean you have to log it on-duty all the time.

Many drivers get detention pay if you was sleeping then you can log sleeper.

How to make it simple! Understand what lines 1,2,3 & 4 mean.

Line 1 means you are relieved of all responsibilty (company may allow you to log meal break etc as off duty, check with your company). So if you are away from the truck and your company allows you to log meal breaks, showers etc as off duty then your log must reflect off duty.

Line 2 means your body is in the sleeper! Doesn't mean you are sleeping.

Dont log line 1 when your body is really in the sleeper. Vice versa!

Now loading/unloading: DOT has clarified it here and in person to me that DOT states it will take you a minimum of 15 minutes to deal with that load/unload/scale/fuel etc. Now the time you are not dealing with it GO TO THE SLEEPER! REally take your body to the sleeper. If the customer wont' let you then you have to log on line 4.

That's the rule! Now you may want to try and fudge that rule but lately I have been some write ups/fines to drivers that you might want to listen to what I say before learn the hard way

Talking to all drivers not just the person I quoted.

Grrr I miss having time to spend here. I have to rush and type. Sorry

 

I have not seen an answer to this. I only drive a cdl vech about 10,000 miles per 1/4. Do I log driving time as driving time that is non cdl while I'm working? I could drive in a given day anything from a van (GMC Savanna) to a 25,000lb straight (non CDL).
Thanks

 

The definition of a CMV for the log book starts at 10,001 pounds:

Using the person's moniker "Movietrucker", there is an possibility the driver is excepted from portions of the HOS:

The question whether the driver must log everything is up to their employer. If the employer is not willing to relieve the driver of duty then once the driver starts they are on-duty or driving or sleeper berth until they are off-duty for the day.

Be safe.