Math formula for load placement

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  1. Heavy Hammer

    Heavy Hammer Road Train Member

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    Very close. It not a single line formula, it's an equation (think fraction). This one is, because he supplied part of the overall equation. If in these cases where the axle tare weight are known, this is the simple formula
    (a / P) w = T (Key for input numbers below)
    (45000 / 70000) 41 = 26.38
    45000/70000=0.643 or 64.3% of the load to the rear.
    41*0.643=26.38 or 26'4" from the kingpin hits the target weights of your axles

    Formula Key
    a = actual payload weight required to hit target axle group
    P = payload weight
    w = wheelbase of the trailer (kingpin to center of axle group)
    T = Target measurement from kingpin to COG of payload
     
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  3. Heavy Hammer

    Heavy Hammer Road Train Member

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    Yes this can also be calculated, it's just done inverse. I do this one quite often, as I move loads that sometimes have to sit "in the well" due to height, COG just lands where it lands and one end is heavier than the other like it or not. Just make sure you have enough axles to cover the heavy end. I recently moved a high load that was only 72000#, but due to the only way to place the load it landed 39+, 39+, 32-, 32-. I didn't need 9axles for the weight of the load, I needed the configuration due to placement & concentration of the load.
    My bad, I got tardy and forgot to write this up with the formulas. I have some other paperwork to do as well this weekend, I'll try to get it together and post it somewhere in the midst of that stuff.
     
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  4. Old Iron

    Old Iron Road Train Member

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    My hat is off to you guys. I have asked several lowbed and deck guys. Even my kids math teacher and have only gotten blank stares. That formula is going in the permit book.

    Tried to put a pic of the trailer on last night but the computer won the fight. Scan0004.jpg
    [True empty weights are a guess at this point.]
    In the example given [70,000# by 30' long].
    The load would work.
    Center of load 26'4'' behind kingpin.
    Would have 2'4'' space between the drop and load.
    [ 26'4'' - 15' half of load - 9' top deck]
    And 9' 8'' from the rear of load to rear of trailer.

    Steer axle 12,000#

    Drive Axle 35,500#
    25,000# load + 12,000# empty wt. = 37,000# -1,500 # transferred to steer axle.
    [ I only have 36,000# drives ]

    Trailer group 54,500# [ 5,500# to spare on most permits]

    This kind of info is why I love this site. Truth be told I would probably pay for it if I had to. Its been a great learning tool. Thank you.
     
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  5. TheDude1969

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    awsome pic old iron!
     
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  6. haulhand

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    You're light on the drives. Even with 36k axles you'll still be able to permit 40k in most states on a tandem so at 70k payload you'll have 11000 lbs to play with. The math is right tho.
     
  7. Old Iron

    Old Iron Road Train Member

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    Apparently I can still draw sorta strait after 6 beers last night but not figure out how to scan and upload on the computer.:mad:
     
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  8. Old Iron

    Old Iron Road Train Member

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    Really? They will let you go over what the axles are rated for?
     
  9. Heavy Hammer

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    Yes the permit office will, because they can't visually inspect your unit. If the scale decides to come out and check your door post for manufacturer ratings, and you've exceeded them...not so much!
    I've only ever had that checked twice in my 25+yrs...
     
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  10. haulhand

    haulhand Road Train Member

    I haven't been doing this as long as hammer has but I've never had them check my door. That being said there's always that possibility but I wouldn't worry too hard.
     
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  11. johndeere4020

    johndeere4020 Road Train Member

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    I'm the same, 18 years never been checked. I did catch heck for tire ratings on an old trailer we had that had 19.5's on it. But it is a very real possibility.
     
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