Any business man worth his truck will see the flaw of letting a collective make his decisions.Happens everyday in many ways not just trucking, you think the $ of FUEL just decideds its own value.
Passing on a thought....
Discussion in 'Experienced Truckers' Advice' started by Kittyfoot, Aug 19, 2011.
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There you go, this is why I posted this here and asked whatcha think?
But please, let's leave any personal attacks,politics, etc in the political forum, ok?
BTW, this same basic idea IS working up home in Canada, apparently pretty well. The company has expanded since I moved down here. No, not because I did either.
I never was a member but I knew most of the originals.
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You Sir must be the most negative member on this forum. I have never seen you say a positive thing about anything unless it was a regulation, a driver facing hardship or your own idea.
If we could all be as perfect as you and have such valuable opinions of ourselves, this would be a much better forum. We greatly appreciate your opinion. You have made your point and our day. Now please bless someone else with your unneeded presence. Thanks for your consideration in this matter!
Clarification Edit: Your post 3 voiced your opinion. I personally value any opinions, even the ones that disagree with mine. Your post 5 made some additional points. After that you went where you always go. You became rude, arrogant, insulting and political. Do you really think anyone puts any value on this kind of posts?Last edited: Aug 19, 2011
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The idea sounds good Kittyfoot and if it's working in Canada, which is highly over regulated as it is here in the States, I don't see why it couldn't work. My question is, wouldn't there have to be someone appointed as a CEO to over see all facets of the operation? Somebody would have to be held accountable in the day to day operations and decision making.
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Somebody would have to be held accountable in the day to day operations and decision making. Thats is what I suggested in my earlier posting , they would need a good business Manager to run things.
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Funny I see not one mention of politics. Mentioning the cat fights collectives have now is not politics or opinion it is fact. The model posted suggests monthly meetings to decide on employee,rate
But I'll leave you with this. What could this collective offer an O/O they could not do for themselves now?
Rate?Nope they have control now.
Dispatch?Brokers aside there are several services now that offer dispatch.
Discounts?Well if you can stomach being associated with OOIDA you can get some decent ones there now. By the way ask Grain Valley why this idea was and has been repeatedly shot down while your on the phone. Or you could use the NASTC that has better discounts than Grain Valley.
Employee decisions?Hell you get that now as an O/O.
Some miraculous motherload of $2.25? I have seen no suggestions of how to keep the more efficient operations from under cutting your collective.
Somehow demanding a set price from a small fraction of your competition is going to make your business more profitable. I do not understand the entire concept.
If it works so good in Canada why are you here? Where would Canadian trucking be without their American freight? Well never mind I guess that would be political.
For the love of the individual and logic answer these questions for yourself. John you answered them with the final sentance of your post.
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Where would Canadian trucking be without their American freight?
Likely the same place a lot of AMERICAN trucking outfits would be without their CANADIAN freight.
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Tazz, I'm not going to decend to your level, and I'm disappointed that you decided to make this about me. But to be honest, I'm not in the least surprised.
I didn't post this as some great idea of mine to "rescue" trucking. I'm not that friggin arrogant. I thought it might be interesting to sample thoughts from the folks here and maybe an intelligent discourse. I forgot about those who just pee on anything that is not contained in their tiny universe. Oh Well.
Kingsco was founded by a bunch of regular O/O's to bid on the hauling contract for a newly opened potash mine. They set up roughly as I described in competition with several large trucking companys. They got the contract and worked hard at it. Apparently they're still growing. I had nor do have any part of it, just several of the "founding members" were friends of mine.
There were lots of Tazz's around who ranted and raved that such was doomed to failure. They chortled with glee every time the guys hit a snag. There are always dogs snapping at the wheels of the passing carriage. Personally, I like seeing the "average joe" doing what the "smart" people say can't be done.
What do they gain? Like a farm co-op they get slightly lower prices on fuels and stuff than the "lone wolf" does. Small stuff that over time adds up. No competent business person should not understand that. But hey, you are what you are.
Nope, I'm not advocating anything. Just thought the discussion might be a neat break from the usual "You're an ---. You're a bigger ---" level that too often goes on in the industry and keeps us at the bottom. -
I assume that some posts were moved by a moderator,for I have read the thread so far and don't see anything political,any personal attacks, or anyone descending to any level.
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I think the idea has its merits and could work if all parties were agreeable. is a majority vote accepted at all times? if so how are the opposing views adressed and considered? what happens to the minority in a losing vote?
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