Pre-trip & Post-trip reports

Discussion in 'Trucking Industry Regulations' started by LogsRus, Oct 12, 2007.

Do you do the pre-trip or post-trip in writting?

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    Does your company require you to fill out the pre-trip inspection form (DDVIR) in writting or see 2

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    Does your company require you to do the post-trip inspection form(DDVIR) in writting

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  1. im6under

    im6under Heavy Load Member

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    I check the oil and coolant, fire it up, pull on the headlights and flashers, I walk around wiping lenses and kicking tires. I log fifteen with a line remarking city state and under that I write, "safety inspection".

    unless its broke and I notice it, this concludes the inspections for the day. well actually I do kick the tires after stopping for lunch or a load but thats all.

    I filled out the detailed crud on the back a few times, thinking it was alot of info, saw a log book in a TA that didn't have a spot for odometer on it so I quit filling it in on mine. I use the trip computer to track my daily miles.

    been thru a few jump suits and creepers inspections and never had anyone say boo to me.

    I conclude though everyone has the same blueprint, they must also have their own interpretation of what it means.

    air guages and actually crawling under the truck looking, friday afternoon if I'm in early otherwise I come in early on monday and give it all a good going over. grease and a pressure wash every third week.

    don't want to sound "cowboy" just this is how I've done it and not been bothered.
     
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  3. lastofseven73

    lastofseven73 Bobtail Member

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    I own my own truck and it cost me when I don't do a proper pre or post trip. For safety reasons,it's a good thing to do,but I understand that people oversleep or are just too lazy to do the job that they kick the tires and light the fires,but those are the ones I pass broke down on the side of the road and usually have to stop and help. Most of them can't afford to tell their companies about it cause they have too many mechanical problems on the books that they need to keep it on the down low. No prob,I believe that we need to stick together so I do what I can and get my ### rollin'.
     
  4. Tandemaxle

    Tandemaxle Bobtail Member

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    My company says you have to do both. A pre-trip before you leave and a post-trip when you come back. If there are any problems we get a yellow copy at the shop stating what was wrong.:evil3:
     
  5. LogsRus

    LogsRus Log it Legal

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    Great job! In my opinion really both are just as important as the other. However doing a very detailed post-trip can save you time and money. Money being miles you could be earning.
    Just my humble opinion in many cases.

    If you are filling out that inspection form for your PRE-TRIP, I will tell you that it's incorrect and the company/you can be dinged regardless if you haven't been caught on the road. Many officers are/should be catching on to the proper way to do vehicle inspections. Sad I know the proper way and I am in the office.

    Now you should follow your company policy but you should also look up the vehichle inspection 396.13 and I can't remember the other one, but they are close together. :biggrin_25523:
     
  6. n4mgr

    n4mgr Light Load Member

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    Thanks, I made sure I found out from the proper authorities the way this was supposed to be done. I will be happy to call the FMCSA if you like and follow it up with an email I can post the reply to right here. No attitude, just don't appreciate being told I don't know what I'm talking about even when I repeat exactly what the DOT told me.
     
  7. LogsRus

    LogsRus Log it Legal

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    This is true! However what many officers are "Looking" for is one of the inspections to be on line 4 (until you run against the one who does know the regulations properly). So if you log a pre-trip or post-trip most officers let you go and don't say anything. The main inspection is your POST-TRIP.
    It's the one you have to do in writting and inspect everything.

    Even Canada knows this. In Canada they require the pre-trip and we all thought if you went to Canada you would have to log a pre & post, however Canada said ok, since USA allows the Canadians to go under their regs we will allow the USA drivers to go under their regs while in Canada.

    This is facts and very true guys/gals. The post-trip being done saves you many heartaches in the long run in some cases. I explained them on the Inspection discussion on the Sticky threads in regulations.
     
  8. Brickman

    Brickman Trucker Forum STAFF Staff Member

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    If you go look again I never said you didn't repeat what ONE DOT man told you.

    If you think that you'll get the same answer from the same question from 10 DOT cops in a row you have not been driving for the 6 yrs your profile claims you've been.

    The CVSA association was supposed to put them all on the same page. But IT HAS NOT, any one driving very long has learned that. 10 DOT cops asked the exact same question will give you 10 different answers. I learned the first couple months I was driving that different DOT cops from the same chicken house will give you a different answer on a question. And then you go up-town to the DOT office and get another answer. It was extremely frustrating to me when I was trying to get a clear answer on my questions.
     
  9. LogsRus

    LogsRus Log it Legal

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    Its in black and white of the regulations.
    The pre-trip is to make sure if anything was wrong with the vehicle from the night before it was fixed and to check if anything "may" have gone wrong over the night while parked (thats not even written in the book, however that's why they state make sure the vehicle is in safe operating conditions)

    The post-trip however states all the items must be checked and it must be done in writting. Meaning if you say something is wrong with that truck or trailer it should not be driven again until "you" are satisfied it's fixed and safe.

    Trust me guys half the officers have this incorrect and the other half have it right.

    Brick: YOU ARE VERY RIGHT! You will get a different answer from all the officers, however you must know what the "federal" law is to fight it in court and all ticket should be fought if you feel you are right. Make good notes, try to get the officer to make a copy of that log (it helps) if you "can".


    Guys/ladies at the end of your day inspect that vehicle just as you had to get them licences. It will pay off in the long run and when it does come back to let me know :).

    If you are putting your truck/trailer in the shop it's on line 4 until U r done dealing with it, then go off duty/sleeper whichever fits the situation.:biggrin_25519:
     
  10. Truckerjo

    Truckerjo Road Train Member

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    My understanding of logging the pre or post trip is both need to be logged.. Far as showing 15 minutes it can be pre or post trip, another words one need to show a min of 15 and the other just simply need to be flagged (usually showing 15 on line 1)(Company policy also can determine pre or post to show 15 min)
    Far as filling out a inspection sheet this seems to becoming a policy for companies... I am not sure of the reason behind this other then taking more time and more paper work... A driver should know already what to inspect....
    The last company I worked for started to to do this...
    And the company I am currently working for also requires a inspection form to be filled out...
    Filling your log out and signing it should be enough if you ask me...
     
  11. Brickman

    Brickman Trucker Forum STAFF Staff Member

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    Logs what I do is mark a 15 min check into shop and then go off duty. I'll eat, shower, sit in the trucker's lounge, screw around online etc until they come tell me the truck is done. Then I'll log a 15 min pay repair bill.
    Are you saying thats not legal?


    How about when you go some place to load and you check in and they tell you its going to be a few hrs until they get to you? I put down a 15 min check into load and then go up to sleeper berth until they come get me. Then I load on line 4. Is this also illegal? If so why? Why can't I log if I'm in the sleeper watching a movie or sleeping or ............... The DOT CLAIMS they want us to log exactly how it happens.

    Thanks for answering these questions for me.
     
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