Reality Check

Discussion in 'Oilfield Trucking Forum' started by TheyCallMeDave, Feb 15, 2018.

  1. Western flyer

    Western flyer Road Train Member

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    Aren't you the guy in Waco Texas.
     
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  3. TheyCallMeDave

    TheyCallMeDave Heavy Load Member

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    No sir, I have never lived in Waco.
     
  4. Western flyer

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    I've done frac sand for a few months.
    Got a lot of friends who've also done frac sand for
    A few months.
    None of us do or will do frac sand again.

    Let me tell you how this is gonna play out.
    Happened to everyone of us.
    You might make 1500 a week,
    You might make 700,
    You might make 2000.
    You never know,depends on the work they have.

    But let's say you make the 1500 they said you could.
    You work a month straight,that's 6 grand gross.
    They call you up,tell you to go home and they'll
    Call You when something else comes up.

    2 unpaid weeks later the phone rings out of the blue.
    Drop whatever your doing immediately, and haul ###
    To some silo a hundred miles away so you can get
    A load of sand to deliver somewhere in the middle
    Of nowhere as soon as you can get there.

    There's only x amount of loads per frac.
    The fastest guy who gets the most loads makes
    The most money. Log book be dammed.
    That's why you always see the them in Texas
    2 or 3 deep in the left lane hauling ###.

    It's a race of who can drive the fastest and stay up
    The longest without stopping for anything but to
    Load or unload until the fracking is done.
    You sleep while waiting in line to load or unload.

    Everything else is done after the well is fracked.
    You want to stop and eat and take a shower,fine.
    Another driver just took one of your loads.
    And you get paid by the load.
    They don't care who gets it, as long as it gets there.

    So you get rolling again after sitting home 2 weeks with no pay. But this is only a 3 day frac, you squeeze a
    Grand out of it and go back home and wait for the
    Phone to ring again.

    They might call 3 days later or another 2 two weeks
    Later. You never know.
    Here's the problem.
    I've got friends who made 2000 grand a week during
    The boom doing frac sand.
    Once the worked slowed down, they wouldn't do anything
    Else for less money.
    They sat by that phone waiting for it to ring for weeks
    On end until they were flat broke and pissed off.

    Moral of the story. If your gonna do sand
    You better be on a tight budget.
    Live below what you make.
    If you need a dependable paycheck everyweek
    This is not it.
     
  5. Western flyer

    Western flyer Road Train Member

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    Well where do you live in central Texas.
    That could be a whole lot of places.
    Temple. Your somewhere around there.
     
  6. TheyCallMeDave

    TheyCallMeDave Heavy Load Member

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    Thanks for the detailed break down. Were you guys running for a larger company or for an O/O? I can tell you right now, If i drove my ### 5 hours home for a week off, and got a call 2 or 3 days in to come back, I wouldn't. If my week off was coming to a close and they told me to wait until I got a call, I wouldn't be going back. I don't take getting dicked around very lightly. I know in trucking little is every really TRUE when you're talking to a recruiter etc, but I do expect the general guidelines to be followed, and I'll hold any carrier to them. If I'm doing my end of the bargain, you better be holding up your end, or I'm gone. As far as living on a tight budget, my wife and I are pretty frugal with our money. It doesn't take a mountain of money to pay our bills and get by, but we might treat ourselves once in a blue moon. My main goal in going to the oil field was to make enough so that I can save a decent amount, not to spend it as fast as I make it like a lot of guys do.

    Bingo, I'm in Temple. I can tell you right now, I've contacted and applied to just about every job that's worth a #### in my area, including a 50 mile radius in every direction with no luck the last 2 weeks. I've had some bites, but nothing concrete other than supposedly meeting and filling out an application with this, or that guy which isn't a guarantee by any means. I've had a couple of phone interviews as well but that's about it.

    Dave
     
  7. Western flyer

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    There is no such thing as a set schedule doing frac sand.
    If they tell you 3 weeks on 1 week off that just means
    Your available for those 3 weeks.
    It doesn't mean you will be raking in the money for
    Those three weeks.
    What if you only get 2 weeks of work out of those
    3 weeks, but now your supposed to go home for
    A week but you need the money.
    See what I'm saying here.

    Your company has no control over fracking.
    When,where,what time, how much, nothing.
    There just supplying trucks to the big oil companies
    That own and run everything.

    Thier waiting by the phone just like you.
    But they need you available so when the phone rings
    For x amount of trucks. You guys are ready to roll.
    Immediately. Time is money.


    If they call you at home to work and you tell them
    I'll be back in a couple days.
    The next time around, if there is one,your gonna
    Be the last one called.

    There gonna call the guys who make them the most
    Money first. The guys who know how to play
    The frac sand game.
    Always get the money while it's there in frac sand.
    You never know how long it's gonna be in between
    One frac to the next.
    Don't worry about home time.
    Your gonna be there more than you want.
     
  8. TheyCallMeDave

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    Ahhh Gotcha. Thanks for clarifying that. I was aware that you could get stuck at wells etc, but I was under the assumption that while you're on duty, they have work to cover your time on as long as they had a contract that lasted a certain duration of time with a particular company. I'm reading ya loud n clear.

    Dave
     
  9. Western flyer

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    If there's a problem and they have to stop fracking,
    You sit on the leased road until they start up again.
    During the real boom times everybody used to get
    Paid hourly while this happened.

    Hardly anyone pays this anymore is why most
    Of us won't do it. Could be 10 hours or 2 days.

    Fracking is done in stages. The more stages,
    The more loads,the more money to be made.
    Some are big, some are small.
    There all different.

    Example: it's a five truck, 25 stage frac.
    It could be a hundred stage,but any hoot let's keep going
    Every 5 trucks is one stage.
    That's 5 loads times 25.
    That's 125 loads of sand for that frac.

    5 trucks at a time all line up and unload at the same time.
    When your done he'll either tell you to go get another
    One or not. The people in charge of the fracking,not
    You company.
    That's one stage. They do that 25 times and that well
    Is done.
    Your no longer needed, it's water and oil guys from
    There on out.

    Now for your part.
    The big shots running this whole thing
    Need, we'll just say 25 trucks for this frac.
    25 trucks divided by 125 loads.
    That's five loads apiece for everybody right.

    Wrong.thats 125 loads of sand they want delivered
    As fast as they can get there. They don't care if
    You only get 2 loads and the other guy gets 7.

    So big oilfield company calls your company
    And gets 5 trucks.
    They get 5 trucks apiece from a couple of other companies. To round out the 25.

    Your company is not the only one working the frac.
    The other guys are trying to get every penny just like you.
    The race is on,sleep,shower,cleaning out the garbage,
    Whatever will all have to wait.
    Every load lost is taken by the competition,
    And revenue lost to the truck.

    They are not gonna let that truck sit and do
    Nothing if there's fracking going on.
    It's too much money lost that they can't get back.
    When they call you, that truck has already been assigned
    To that frac and promised to that big oil company.
    Catching my drift now.
    They don't ask you first.

    They ask for 10 trucks and only 7 show up,
    There's gonna be a problem.
    They might not call at all the next time,just to
    Show you who's in charge.

    And one thing no one in the oilfield wants to do is
    Get on the wrong side of the big shots.
    They run everything and everyone.
    They can ban a driver or a whole company from all of their sites,Putting them out of business.
     
  10. TheyCallMeDave

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    I've done a lot of researching about hauling frac sand as well as watching videos. That's one of the best explanations I've ever gotten explaining the process. I really appreciate it sir. You know it seems like a real "up in the air" situation. I don't shy away from hard work, and I have no problem fudging a log to get more runs here and there, so my plan was to go out there and run as hard as I could to make the most money.

    I even went as far as tracking down an old family friend who is an O/O who ran sand back in the boom, drove the 3 hours to his house yesterday, and had him give me a detailed run down on the quickest way to get that sand out of the trailer regarding PSI, and the order in which to do everything. (I usually do my fair share of researching etc before jumping into anything as I like to be as prepared I as possibly can) I was feeling pretty confident, although I hadn't yet figured out what I was going to do when there was downtown, to keep my brain occupied to avoid being home sick.

    But besides that I can handle everything else out there, but it just seems like such a gamble. Make 2000 this week, then 600 next week. I'm sure that happens regularly, but the allure of even the possibility of making that kind of money is really enticing, if I'm being 100% honest.

    But at the same time I could just commute 30 minutes a day and run LTL P&D, and make at least a 1000 a week. Just not sure I can deal with the over the top micromanagement lol and the LTL style of driving and multiple stops never really fit my "style" I just knew it paid decent so that's what I applied for after my last gig ended. The oilfield does however, really intrigue me. I guess if I were to try it, best case scenario is I make decent money, worst case it's a bust, and I come back home to the same position I'm in now.

    I do have one company that wants me to run intrastate M-F with the weekends at home, but man, they want you to COOK the books, and I'm not talking about here and there, I mean you run like a scalded dog. It's not like fudging the books becasue you sat at a well so you can run 60 miles down the road and get another load, I'm talking about fudging so you can drive 15 or 16 hours straight type of deal down the interstate. It wouldn't be everyday, but it would be frequent enough to potentially cause some real problems. The trucks are nice (all classic trucks), no driver cams, no one "coaching you" over stupid #### etc. But you're pretty much gambling everyday with your logs in regards to how hard they run you. I'd make a bit more then running local P&D if I chose that route.

    I've got options, I'm just torn at the moment as there are pros and cons to each of the 3 jobs. But for the life of me I don't know why the patch is reeling me in. I'd never do OTR and run across the US for the 3 weeks, but for some reason I entertain the idea of being gone for 3 weeks in the patch. Maybe it's the possibility of making decent money, maybe it's the long nose pete I'm supposed to drive (I hate plastic pos trucks) maybe it's the type of hauling (the way you turn and burn is more my style and really fits the way I like to drive) hell I don't know. But I'm still kicking the idea around in my head for whatever reason. Thanks again for all the insight, it's really appreciated.

    Dave
     
  11. Western flyer

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    Doing frac is sand is like being a outlaw cowboy
    In the old west. Your gotta break all the rules
    If you want to make the money.
    It's why some guys/gals love it.
    It's giving the DOT and all their rules and regulations
    The middle finger and getting away with it.

    It's outlaw beyond outlaw.
    Especially if they got a lot of work.
    Once the fracking process starts there is no stopping
    Until it's completely fracked. Unless there's a problem.
    That's why they order so many trucks,so there's always
    Some of them waiting in line to unload.

    The only civilized part of it, is when your sitting on
    The leased road waiting to unload.
    That's when you get some sleep.
    Nobody cuts the line,that's no different than stealing
    Money from him. Because that's exactly what your doing.

    The man running the fracking will come out and wake you up. He'll either tell you to go in or move up.
    They know that's the only time you get to sleep.

    If me and you get unloaded together and we both
    Have to go get anther load.
    They could send me 30 miles away to a silo to get mine.
    They could send you 60 miles away to a rail yard to get
    Yours. You never know.
    But if you beat 10 guys back to the site and hop in
    Line, you might get 1 more load then them before
    The fracking is done.
    That's another 400 bucks in your paycheck.

    Nobody's gonna tell you all this ####.
    That's why I am. So you'll be prepared.
    After going 5 days straight with only 3/4 hours
    Sleep your gonna look forward to a couple of
    Days downtime. Trust me.

    At its peak frac sand money is sick.
    More than all the other driving jobs.
    Oilfield or otherwise.
    Problem is you never know when it's
    Coming are going.

    I sent you a private message for a job
    That's 10 times better than what your
    Other options are.
    Way better,with the money and home time your
    Looking for. I don't normally do that.
    But you live in the perfect spot for them and I try save
    Anyone from Doing frac sand.
    the feast or famine thing gets old real quick.
    You'll go crazy with your budget.
    Don't buy anything big that you to make
    Payments on.

    If your interested in a real job with stability,
    Time off and oilfield money. Send me a pm.
    And do it legally without risking your CDL.
     
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