Rules..Rules... and fines!?

Discussion in 'Experienced Truckers' Advice' started by JJKid, Sep 28, 2014.

  1. JJKid

    JJKid Medium Load Member

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    Guys, I need some advice here.

    I currently work for a Company and I like it. Very friendly, family orientated but I do question one aspect of it and that's their Safety Department. Now, before you guys grill me - This is the only Company I have been with so I dont know what's out there as to how other companies operate. Please advise.

    And Yes! I was told in their little mini orientation of the rules and signed on it as well.. but I just want to know - does your company operate the same way?

    Safety Department fines drivers for recieving driver-related violations in a D.O.T inspection;

    - Unsafe Driving (seatbelt, speeding, ect.)
    - H.O.S (log violations, basically all the rules)
    - Driver Fitness (not having medical card on you, ect).
    - Vehicle Maintenance (they do not hold drivers accountable for this but they do fine owner operators for their vehicle violations and shut them down until they get their vehicle issues fixed).

    Their fines is as followed:
    1st violation - $200
    2nd violation - $400
    3rd violation - Termination

    But they also give us a bonus of $200 for a Level III, II clean inspection and $375 for a Level I inspection.

    Is this fair.. insane or... normal? Like I said, I'm not bagging on this company, I just thought I would ask more experienced drivers of their input and if their safety department has something like this going on.
     
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  3. fuzzeymateo

    fuzzeymateo Heavy Load Member

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    To be honest, I'm not even sure that's legal. I wouldn't work for them just because of this. Having said that, you have to understand, and I'm sure you do, that every violation a driver receives goes against the company so I get why they do it I just don't agree with it.
     
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  4. LGarrison

    LGarrison Road Train Member

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    I know that my company does not fine anyone for a violation, but does pay a $100.00 bonus for all violation free inspections.
     
  5. Hurst

    Hurst Registered Member

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    I'm an O/O and the carrier I am leased on to fines drivers $500 for each and any DOT inspection violation.

    Means if you get pulled in and everything goes fine, but Johnny Law sees a small nick in my strap and writes me up for an equipment violation. Well,.. I just coughed up $500.

    I knew it was there,.. I decided to use it anyway.

    I preach this over and over. If you do something wrong,.. dont get angry or upset when you get caught. Deal with the consequences like a man. You know the rules and the law. If you dont, you better read up and learn them.

    I have a 53' trailer. There is no over hang allowed off the rear of a 53' trailer. Officer told me,.. "The law is 53',.. not 53'6". Period". What can I do? Nothing,.. he is right.

    To expect a company to continuously pay for fines due to driver negligence is absurd.

    Hurst
     
  6. Numb

    Numb Crusty Curmudgeon

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    keep your stuff legal and no worries.

    but, I wouldn't work there, even though I haven't had a violation in yrs.
     
  7. fuzzeymateo

    fuzzeymateo Heavy Load Member

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    And when a headlight or tail light goes out on you as you make your way down the road is that fair that you have to pay the company for the violation? I don't think so. The word "violation" or "legal" gets shaded more and more everyday because as all of you know, Johnny Law can find violations on a new truck and trailer. There's a "cost to doing business" and the carriers attitude of fining drivers is wrong. If a driver cannot stay out of trouble they should be terminated, not fined, end of story.
     
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  8. G/MAN

    G/MAN Road Train Member

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    It depends on what you agreed to in the contract you signed when you leased to them. If you agree to the terms then you are bound by them. Having violations can greatly impact the income a carrier makes. Shippers and brokers do check safety scores and every violation increases your points and hurts their safety score. A bad safety score can have a huge impact on a carrier and prevent them from getting business and could even cause them to be shut down. Personally, I would never agree to paying a fine for any reason.
     
  9. Cranky Yankee

    Cranky Yankee Cranky old ######

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    as i counted 13 headlights out going across 80 in wy one night
    companies just trying to find a way to make steering wheel holders care enough to become truck drivers


    oh and yes i have had headlights go out on the road too
    even not had a spare
    but always had a high beam to switch with until i got to a TS

    was the first thing my grandfather taught me about driving
    dont give the cops a reason to look at you
     
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  10. 12 ga

    12 ga THE VIEW FROM MY OFFICE

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    It is strictly illegal. Even if you sign an agreement most states have a law that will not allow you to sign away your rights,Michigan. The first tie they deduct money from you check file a complaint with you state hours and wags department, I believe you will get your money back and they will require the company to stop the practice. I worked a part time job for a small company they started that practice and I told them to stuff their job.
     
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  11. Hurst

    Hurst Registered Member

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    If a headlight goes out, you should pull into a truck stop and replace the bulb. I keep spares for every light on my truck.

    I wouldnt expect a company driver to do what I do I suppose, but I keep cut to fit hoses for everything from coolant to air line. I keep couplers and patch kits to repair lines. I mean what do you guys do at a rest area if your tire is low? I air mine back up.

    A good driver should take the initiative to do the right thing,.. not because he is forced to,.. but because its the right thing to do.

    When you do your pre-trip you are responsible for the safety of that truck. If any driver thinks they are above changing a bulb, they should go home. Thats my personal opinion. No offense meant.

    Hurst
     
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