Hey all,
I had been posting in a fellow student's thread, but I wanted go out on my own with this update. I quit RDTC on day 4 of training, and I'm back home now. This is solely my experience and my thoughts.
Day one was spent in a classroom and out in the yard examining the tractors. We would have practiced our left turns in the yard that day, but a snowstorm Sunday night prevented a trainer from making it in to work. It was nice to get to know the other three students, and it was fun to finally get up close to the machinery.
Day two was spent out in the yard all day practicing our shifting and left hand turns. It's a rectangular track with a couple stop signs, and we got up to sixth gear, which is about 20 mph. It was stressful at times learning the double clutch and having a trainer who liked to grumble, but I dealt with it and started to have fun.
Day three was practicing right hand turns in the yard and more shifting. I've driven manual transmissions for 15 years, and I can say you had might as well forget everything you know because double clutching is totally different. Clutch once to neutral, then clutch again to gear, and downshifting includes revving the engine as well before gearing. I was having loads of fun though, and only came close to hitting a stop sign once (I know, once is too much).
We breaked for lunch, then the trainer took my partner and I out on the road course, which is basically 'around the block', meaning four left turns or four right turns and you're back to the yard. The first street is 25 mph, but then the others are basically highways, so 45 and 55 mph traffic. You don't have to maintain the speed limit, but every other vehicle out there does. You'll maneuver through a traffic circle at one intersection, which is more complicated than 90 degree corners in the yard. Everything about the road course is real, obviously: pedestrians, cross traffic, road signs, etc.
I was not prepared for the jump from the yard to the roads. My trainer offered no encouragement to me at all on the road, it was just everything I did wrong. I'm trying to not run over anybody, and he's complaining about my downshifting. I'm not going to give out my trainer's name. This experience affected me a great deal, and waking up Thursday morning I just did not want to get back in that truck. I called my trainer and told him I was quitting. We had a short, civil conversation and I turned in my gate pass as I headed out of town.
If getting out on the roads on your third day of training excites you, then by all means come up to Marshfield. If you feel apprehensive about that, you might want to consider other options for your schooling.
Stocker's RDTC experience
Discussion in 'Roehl' started by stockertotrucker, Mar 15, 2013.
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A fast pace schooling is not for everybody. I did not attend RDTC even though I lived only 20 miles from Marshfield. I didn't think I would do well under a 3 week program. The school I attended (Chippewa Valley Tech College in Eau Claire, WI) we had 2 weeks (out of 8 weeks total) on the rodeo and range before heading out to the main road. Even after 2 weeks I was not ready. Take a look at a longer schooling then come back to Roehl for the finishing program.
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There is a six week program at a community college here in Des Moines that I'm investigating. I do think Roehl would be a good company to drive for, so I'd be open to it. I caught trucking fever during my short stay in beautiful downtown Marshfield, and even driving my 4-wheeler now I try to look 12 to 15 seconds ahead. I guess I've had my trial by fire now, so the next time I'm on the road course it can only be better.
I do see how some people might love an accelerated program like RDTC, and I realize I might still be up there if I had been paired with a trainer who gave me the encouragement that I needed.
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if that bothered you so much it is good you quit and you look for some other type of work. trucking is not easy nor is it for everyone,it is a lot more than just sitting it the truck.
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Stocker sorry we didn't got a change to say goodbye, my experience is alot different and my trainer Kevin is awsome, yes its fast pace but not difficult, we all make mistakes the first few day's but i can tell you these trainers know what they doing and yes we are testing next Friday so one more week to practice those up and down shifting. I dont think this is a bad school so if you are a fast learner and want to learn the right way of doing things this is a good school to join
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Stocker, I'm sorry you didn't have a good experience. I went through RDTC starting at the end of January. I agree the pace is pretty fast; I think this is partly a result of a change to the course plan that started around October of 2012. Prior to then, you took the CDL road test on the Thursday of your third week at RDTC (i.e. near the very end of the three weeks). After that, they started having you take the road test on the Thursday of the second week...removing an entire weeks' driving time from the road test preparation, cutting it by one-third (which is quite a lot). The third week is then spent on further refining driving skills, doing some close-quarters maneuvering (as you might do when parking in a truck stop, etc.), learning The Roehl Way of Protective Driving, and learning the paperwork and Qualcomm messages you need to perform during the life of a load. As a result of this curriculum change, the instructors job was made a lot tougher in my opinion -- getting students ready to take the road test (including the 90-degree backing) with only about five days of road time (time actually out on the road vs. the initial "getting to know the truck" experience out back on the range): Thursday, Friday, Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday. The first time I was out on the road was Friday afternoon of my first week because my drug screen results hadn't get come back (was told that randomly happens sometimes), and I agree it can be really stressful. Plus we lost about a day and a half the first week because it was so icy and wet out on the range (water on top of ice) that the trucks couldn't even make turns without skidding out.
You didn't mention who your instructor was, but I had Kevin and he did a pretty good job under the circumstances. If you decide to go back and try RDTC again, bear in mind that when the instructors do things like critique your shifting, they're not doing it to punish you or try and make you feel bad...they're just trying to give you all the feedback they can at the time, because as I mentioned above they have only about five days to get you up to speed before you take the road test. I was amazed at times with the amount of patience Kevin showed with the three of us students in his truck -- listening to us grind the gears, watching us almost run over things with the rear tandems of the trailer, and so forth.
We were told that they decided to change the RDTC curriculum last October so the third week could be spent on the items that would otherwise be covered in the Orientation phase (that you would go through if you were hired at Roehl already having a CDL rather than getting it through RDTC). Where I can see the logic of that I guess, looking back on it I wonder if taking an entire week of driving practice away from CDL prep is too much. Yes, it's possible to get through it. But I think one of the downsides of that is the kind of experience you described. Personally I wonder if it would be better to go back to doing the road test at the end of the third week of RDTC itself, then 3-4 days of "condensed orientation" after that.stockertotrucker Thanks this. -
Thank you for your feedback, Techno. I did know before I went up to Marshfield that we would be in the truck on day one and on the road soon after, but I guess I didn't understand what that meant. I had never been inside a semi tractor before, never rode along with a friend or family member, so I was naive about the whole thing. I wanted to create a thread about my experience to get it off my chest, and also help prospective students understand that they really will be on the road after just a few days of training in the yard.
I've looked at a six week community college program here in Des Moines, and I was surprised that after two weeks of classroom, students only get a couple days of concourse training before they hit the roads. I assume it is standard among driving schools to push students out of the yard while they are still becoming accustomed to the truck and trailer. I do see how trainers have a tough job, and there is only so much time for them to give instruction before the student has to 'get it'. I see how my trainer's negativity wasn't personal, but I also know he didn't give me the patience and encouragement I needed. Kevin was not my trainer, but I did meet him and I'm glad he was able to give you what you needed to pass through the program.
I've enjoyed following your posts, Techno, along with your fellow students' updates. Stay safe on the road.technoroom Thanks this. -
Staying in the yard is not a real teacher. It is basics only. It's how you take that and put it all together going out on the roads that really teaches you what you need to know. The schools are designed just to teach basics and get you your CDL by state standards in a minimum amount of time. Just because you come out with a class A license, you still hold a class B under it. Since you admit you did not know anything about trucks and truck driving before you started training maybe you should look for class B jobs with straight trucks. Class A driving isn't for everyone.
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Thank you for the perspective on driving schools. I think I understand now how they work, and that I should expect stressful situations that I will not be prepared for. Thanks also for explaining the CDL hierarchy; I thought I would have to take a separate class B exam even if I had a class A license. I've tried searching for class B schools on the web, but nothing ever comes up that specifies class B training. I am considering earning a class A license and then starting out in a straight truck job. This might be overkill, though, so I guess I should contact straight truck employers and see what they say I would need for training.
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Most schools do both, they just don't advertise as much for B, it's not the big money maker.
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