Tractor First, Right?

Discussion in 'Flatbed Trucking Forum' started by HandLogger, Feb 15, 2017.

  1. rank

    rank Road Train Member

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    Here on TTR, I defer to @wore out for all things related to 3406b model Cats. Maybe I missed it, but I don't remember how much weight you're planning on moving.

    My experience in the Berkshires is limited to ~80k on I-90. I recall one long steep bugger after you leave the toll booth heading east......Might be called 9 mile hill or maybe that's in MA I'm not sure.

    My 425 hp b model always runs high EGTs and coolant temps pulling those hills in the summer. Not sure exactly why. It's a 15 single over trans with 3.90 rears in a 1896 long hood Pete. I mention long hood because I can't get over 10,700 on the steers when I'm hooked to a drop trailer. I often do that same run with a little 1998 10.9L M11 with 4.33 rears and Celect+ ECM and the EGTs and coolant temps are normal. I guess that's the ECM playing with timing and fuel I don't know.

    I'm not up on your emissions laws but I think you'll be fine with any 3406 B, C, E, 6nz or an N14 or a DD60. I would ask your mechanic if he has a engine preference and go from there.

    One thing I haven't seen mentioned so far in this thread is trailer wheel base laws. There are some special rules in that neck of the woods.
     
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  3. HandLogger

    HandLogger Light Load Member

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    Very good points, @rank My favorite mechanic is a big Cummins man, but I've got a lot of time in on CAT stuff; hence, part of the quandary. He has road experience and I don't, but he seems to be up to his elbows in Cummins parts and pieces while our CAT stuff still clatters away. In short, my experience with CAT heavy equipment plus what I've read for quite some time now tells me that CAT makes a pretty good road engine.

    Yeah, I can vouch for the added expense at repair time, but our CAT stuff has clearly been more reliable than our Cummins-powered stuff...and all of this, once again, has me interested in a CAT powered road tractor...clear as mud, I'm sure, but it's the best I've got.

    Having written all of that, I'm very glad to see someone mention the red top engine as a possible candidate...I believe it's the first time for this thread.

    I'm not sure exactly where the climb you mentioned is, but I do know that over I-90s 3,099 total miles (4,861 total kms) its highest point -- driving east out of South Dakota -- is between Mass exit 2 and exit 3, which, at 1,724 feet (525 meters) above sea level, is clearly in the Berkshires region of the state...and, given this fact, I wouldn't be at all surprised if your EGTs and coolant temps weren't going up, along with the terrain, between those two exits.

    By the way, the heaviest piece of equipment we would [probably?] ever plan on moving comes in at about 108,500 pounds (just over 49.2 metric tons). Your question about trailer wheel base laws is definitely down in my notebook now, as well. Thank you for adding to the thread, sir.
     
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  4. nate980

    nate980 Road Train Member

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    After spending another weekend in the bush on some nice 18% grades fully chained up, don't let anyone talk you out of an 18spd. Hands down when it gets slippery splitting the half gear on the bottom end makes a world of difference.
     
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    I wouldn't be afraid of a B or C model CAT 500hp is easily achieved out of them with good dependability. I'm not sure of your area and parts availability. I agree hands down an 18 speed but they are not all the same. I prefer the B ratio set over the A ratio set. The B ratio has a lower lo gear than the A. However they both end in .73. I'm no heavy hauler by any means, so take my opinion with a grain of salt lol
     
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  6. rank

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    I didn't know that. Yep that's the hill. You start climbing right after the toll booth at the state line

    IIRC I need to drop 2 or 3 gears to keep the temps under control.

    Well that's getting up there. If you're moving that weight in those hill on a regular basis, I might rule the 12.7 L DD60 out unless it was in an otherwise perfectly spec'd truck. You see that's the thing......if you're buying used, you rarely get everything you want. If I found a nice truck with the right rears and trans then I would be happy with any of those engines. As far as the red top N14 goes, we had one in a '95 T600 with a Celect ECM. It ate injectors early in its' life but that problem went away. I blame the injectors not the engine. It was otherwise problem free and some say it's the best N14. I may be wrong but I think the red tops were de-tuned to 435 hp maybe that helped reliability.
     
  7. HandLogger

    HandLogger Light Load Member

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    Excellent posts, @rank ! I'm especially glad to read your thoughts on the DD engine and the red top N14. Specific do's and dont's make the hunt that much easier because, after all, "...you rarely get everything you want." Your thoughts on rears and transmissions fit right in with what my reading is telling me, as well.

    Do you have any thoughts to share on frame thickness?

    I'd also appreciate some details on that super nice looking hay-haulin' sleeper tractor in the photo, my friend.
     
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  8. HandLogger

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    Great post, as well, @wore out ! That information about the ratio sets in the 18-speeds is the first I've read -- very nice!

    Could I trouble you for some details and/or spec's on that sweet lookin' Pete in the photo?
     
  9. HandLogger

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    Thanks for this post, @nate980 It certainly means a lot to get that kind of information from someone who's working in B.C. Please feel free to add anything more that comes to mind as you're working those grades.
     
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    wore out Numbered Classic

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    3406B with a C-16 rotating assembly, compound Borg Warner turbos. A 7E 5888 C model pump and advance with 8789 nozzles 20913b Eaton with a 1750 spicer aux behind it. 402 Eaton rears with 3:55 gears. 265 wheel base with a low air leaf cut off.

    Totaled Oct 17 2016. Still my honey no doubt.
     
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    What?!

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