Tractor for end dump?

Oh ok, I got you. That would be the least of my concerns due to the type of dump work I have run in the past. Local short haul, little to no interstate running due to weight restriction, 60 mph or less usually two lane highways where final drive ratios had little effect on rpms. Great fuel mileage isn't attainable waiting in lines to load and unload, high idle times running pto's, etc.

 

I have a Pete with a 600 cummins I pull my dump with. Almost have enough power

 

No offense man but i think your in over your head too. Your still looking at a brand and not a truck spec'd to do the job.

I'll make it simple. Long wheel base daycab 210+ inches, single heavy frame 14k front and atleast 44s in the rear. If you get a mack camelback is/was gold standard for this type of work. 4.10 or lower 8ll or 18. Pre emission motor dont have to be big hp cus low rears will move it along just fine. We pull frac pumps (100k) and coil units 130-140k with 425hp isx 12 and 8ll trans

 

I'll take a frameless Any day of the week over a framed trailer, much easier to see what they are doing and 9 times out of 10 they don't take the truck over with them. You still also only have 2 little pins on the back of a framed trailer holding the tub up regardless of how many wheels are on the ground

Don't know how heavy you can run down there, but we run 99-117k depending on axles in the north east, an ex freight may do ok just running a stock pile, but you will tear it up quick running into a landfill, we run the heavy 3/8" frame over double, much easier on rust, there is also nothing wrong with a 15 speed but they stopped making them in the late 90s and the rtx156 I believe was as big as they went so your not going to run big power with one, I pull 100k every day with one but it also has 4.33s, anything newer you would be better off with an 8ll or a RTLO 18 speed which has lower first/reverse then a regular RTO

 

you run alot heavier than we do on a daily basis. I love a framless trailer but if your new to the industry and know one is showing you how to dump it is safer starting with a framed or one that all 8 stay on the ground starting off.

 

I was more nervous pulling a frame then i am frameless. But I learned on frameless, never pulled a frame till I rented one when I started hauling rock and sand as an O/O

 

Get what is going to make you money. A dump truck is nice depends on how it is made. I am not sure the correct term for them but in my area some guys get super 10's and make them into transformers so the box can come off and you still have your fifth wheel to pull anything else you might have work for. That way you not just limited to a particular area of trucking.

I started out with a frameless, running it at night hauling slaps off of the freeway. Did that for a while and end up flipping a different trailer twice. I then bought my own were all 8 stay down and I love it. One thing I noticed is the trailer posted is a shorty. The bridge law would keep us from pulling anything shorter than 28' and for the weight we pull we get 32's that slide or 34', 36', 38', end dumps. When you have a short trailer it less likely to tip also.

 

I learned on a 37ft standard frameless and a 40ft where all 8 stay down hauling demo and scrap metal.

We have to have an outer bridge of 43ft for up to 88k here on 6 axles with inner bridge permit and overweight permit. 51ft allows for 5 axles with same permits. Im 44ft with my 30ft frameless