Trainer illegally using hours

Discussion in 'Questions From New Drivers' started by LostInSpace, Jun 11, 2011.

  1. Pmracing

    Pmracing Road Train Member

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    My company paid the trainer for all my miles. that is the incentive to train! I was paid "training pay" which was a little more than unemployment.

    After only a few days (maybe it was my driving ability) I was doing 8-11 hours of those easy highway miles. He made sure I knew never to do anything else without his supervision.

    If he tells the company about the violations, and they do nothing, then blacklisted or not it is best to not stay there. You (he) can always explain the situation to prospective companies that are looking for honest employees.

    One clue might have been that they were only going to train him for one week! I did six weeks and that is one of the shortest training periods I have heard of...

    Good luck with whichever route you guys choose. Keep us posted.

    If they do you wrong, don't feel like you can not name names here. When they can not find drivers anymore they will clean up their act or go out of business.

    Mikeeee
     
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  3. LostInSpace

    LostInSpace Bobtail Member

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    Yes it says on the log print out who was driving when and where they went and where they were when they stopped for the day.

    It is easy for the company to see the disparity between the two drivers logs, if they are looking. You'd think that the software would raise a red flag if one of two drivers from the truck is logged as driving and not driving at the same time. You would think. The trainer also tricked DH into telling the company he couldn't take the job they originally hired him for and that he could only do the job on the trainer's route due to family reasons. The trainer went through all these shenanigans telling him what to say to his superiors, not to say anything came from him, etc. It's ridiculous, why couldn't he have just minded his own business?

    The company doesn't want him on the trainer's route, which does need drivers though, they just want him for what they want, which no one in their right mind would want.

    And now of course he doesn't even have unemployment anymore which was a lot more than he's getting as a "trainee." The whole situation is pretty dismal and my DH is too honest a guy for this business it would seem. He was shaking in his boots Friday when he saw the log falsification. I'm really pretty ticked at the company for putting him in that position and for not knowing what a crooked trainer they've got at their shiny big company. But the trainer was right there that day taking out a new trainee...sheesh.

    Ok well thank you to everyone for your replies. He will call the head cheese first thing Monday and spill the beans. Or maybe we'll email it and then have a record of the response. I will let you know how things work out, or actually how they won't work out because either, me and DH are completely screwed thanks to the trainer. Albeit, DH is a little too Forrest Gump sometimes, but he's very honest and dedicated. If the company can't see that, it's their loss. And I understand these trucking companies need more guys like DH and less like his trainer in 2011.
     
  4. LostInSpace

    LostInSpace Bobtail Member

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    In case anyone noticed, I am being pretty careful to keep any details under wraps which might reveal the company's identity. I don't know how much training he would need because he had 3 months in college, a week long orientation of 14 hour days, and then was supposed to get 7-10 days of on the road training. That's not enough? Oh well.
     
  5. Pmracing

    Pmracing Road Train Member

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    3 months of college driving should be a good start.

    a week of orientation? what was done? any driving, logs, filling out insurance forms... hard to tell what knowledge that added.

    7-10 days of road training. Most will tell you that road training is the only training! It is when you are in the real world. Not just moving a truck around but trip planning, dealing with shippers, receivers, dispatchers, other company employees... etc. Oh, and trainers! Good or bad!

    Mikeeee
     
  6. duston

    duston Bobtail Member

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    The trainer might loose his training status. Its not very likely you will find anyone who cares past that.I'd put it in the past. I wouldn't put it past a large company to put the blame on the new driver rather than the trainer. The trainer simply makes the company more money than the new driver.
    They gave a guy an accident on his record for a tornado blowing him off the road at Werner because he didn't watch the weather.
    I could see them turning it on him. "Your going to have to retake training due to your lack of communication with your student manager during training.We feel it is vital for you to drive another 100 hours to make sure you are properly trained." Then they apologize for the inconvenience and take your solo status and put it into a training status.
     
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  7. otherhalftw

    otherhalftw R.I.P.

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    I had two trainers...one very good trainer with Werner, and one for 3 weeks with Swift....who I taught what I learned from the Werner trainer. And since have been learning "OJT" myself...a daily thing for the "smarter" driver who accepts the fact that most things are different in small ways everyday...so the learning never stops for the intelligent driver.

    What's your point? As I said every "training" company has a few that do. I did not say all or even most....
    This has what to do with the topic? My picture is right there for all to see...yep, clean shaven, combed hair, teeth brushed (sometimes 3 times a day)...showered and ready to "meet and greet" with any customer or driver!
    Showers are free with any fuel of 50 gallons.....utilize this phenomena much?
    Should have taken advantage of the education offered in the State system...doesn't matter which State either! I am sure you would not have lasted very long on my inmate crew! Probably one of the majority that were sent to prison even though you were "innocent"....or does this just offer you bragging rights? Something to be proud of for sure!
    Smoking something good? This makes no sense whatsoever....how about a random pee test right now and see how long CR England lets you stay behind the wheel!
    You assume a lot...you don't know me....unless you were on my inmate crew....you have no idea as to my background, education, or experiences....
    they would be completely dishonest about everything....from time to time and always!
    Then how could you talk to me if you don't say anything?
    If you need to ask...then you confirm that you know nothing about me! I have been training longer than I have been a truck driver...I was Safety and Training Officer with a California Fire Department...which one is none of your business. As a truck driver/trainer/Mentor....that is 15 years experience....still "teaching" today...any driver that wants to learn or has a legitimate question....they get the answer from me and others on this forum and on the road.
    Pipe dreams...everybody needs them....you experience them on a regular basis!
    So are you trying to be a pirate or is that an attempted Irish brogue you are trying to put forth? Swift has never offered "referral bonuses" to their drivers for recruiting....even the recruiters don't get bonuses....they are salaried personnel! But obviously Swift turned you down, so you wouldn't know how they operate....but you are a proud member of the CR England crew.........no bragging rights from that community for sure! It seems you fit at CR England....they are thieves too....only difference they have big bucks for attorneys to keep them OUT OF JAIL!

    Yep...I do right now! Haven't been with Swift in 3 years!
    Nothing wrong with Swift to begin with...some even like it long term....to each his own. At least Swift doesn't use strong arm tactics to put drivers in Lease Fleece trucks....and they are honest about their dealings with their drivers....most of the time!

    I used the Driver Services as an example...not a recruiting tool!
    Everybody on this forum understands how bad a training set up CR England offers....yet you are still driving for them......I sense a conundrum!

    I guess you have it all figured out....oh my the world will end soon....better find a rock to hide under!
     
  8. kajidono

    kajidono Road Train Member

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    I dunno if your state does it, but here if you get a job that pays less than your unemployment you can report that to the unemployment office and they will pay you the difference.
     
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  9. LostInSpace

    LostInSpace Bobtail Member

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    I will check that out although am fairly sure if you have any type if income, you're out of the system.

    Time to figure out a new career for DH. I think this was setup since he got out of the college program he got his CDL through, all this good ol' boy crap in this area, has a long arm.

    Ok, am signing off for the evening, let the hijackers have fun. OP over and out, thanks to the respondents who had thoughtful, helpful replies :) Cheerio!
     
  10. lostNfound

    lostNfound Road Train Member

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    And this thread, kiddies, shows why you stay away from meth.

    As for the OP, your hubby needs to make sure that whatever his name is signed to, i.e., his logs, are accurate and correct or it is his ### in the sling. So, whatever that takes.
     
  11. LostInSpace

    LostInSpace Bobtail Member

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    He was being trained to use electronic logging and was specifically his trainer's responsibility to log his activities each day and update them since he didn't know how. It wasn't done each day, the trainer only did it afterwards, apparently, and falsified the records at that time and refused to provide him a copy, locked him out of the computer. Makes it tough to sign, he couldn't actually sign them until Friday at which time he discovered the falsification. He knows how to do paper logs just fine. He didn't even have a sign-on ID until the other day, very irregular, crooked, unacceptable and incorrectly handled by trainer, FYI. And also won't happen again cuz he ain't going with a company which either allows it or overlooks it.
     
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