I started to reply to this last night but got majorly side tracked. SO I will respond tonight.
The first thing I did was to determine the number of days I will have the truck on the road. Those are my "working days". The days that will earn revenue and bring in the income. The fixed Overhead expenses will be the same regardless, I just have to figure out how I am going to generate it. So I divide my fixed OH costs into the number of planned days on the road. I figured this from my per diem days I am tracking.
For me, I will use 19 days. As an O/O, I don't care to work like the dog I did as a company driver.
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For expenses, I will use this example. I have been using it as an example here for a couple months now, why change.
So now I have $6110 of fixed cost divided by 19 days worked. So it's I need to earn about $321.58 each day I am out with the truck without even turning a tire. If I am moving, it's costing me 82 cents per mile.
So for a truck to haul a load that's about 600 miles away, it should pull in at least $321.58 + (600*.82) for a rate or a total of about $813.58 just to break even.
If I pick up a load that's gonna go for 1200 miles, that's two days so it should pay (2*321.58 )+(1200*.82) or about $1627 for the load. Mind you, this example is JUST TO BREAK EVEN. It will not generate a profit.
If the second load is only 200 miles but it's going to take you two days, you'd be at (2*321.58 )+(200*.82) or about $807 for the load as you are not moving the truck an extra 1000 miles or saving about $820 in maintenance expense.
Adjust accordingly if you can haul 2, 3, or more loads in a day or the number of days that you are going to be hauling under that particular load.
Cents per mile bottom line.....what did i miss?
Discussion in 'Ask An Owner Operator' started by SW Transport, Jun 21, 2012.
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MNdriver......i believe i see the light coming on!! that is fantastic information! thank you very much for that! hopefully you don't mind, but i'm going to copy what you've got set up there and start plugging in my own info. awesome stuff!
i have found and am able to follow where you document most of the numbers. i cannot figure out where the .82cpm comes from. i'm really not trying to bust your chops, i'm just trying to make sure i can follow what you've layed out.
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The 82 cpm is fuel and maint escrow based on fuel cost /mileage and the maintenance amortization table cpm of 14.2 cpm.
As your fuel mileage goes up, that cost goes down.
Significantly too.
But before you get hung on it....
You are better off to just NOT turn the miles if you can avoid themLast edited: Jun 26, 2012
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Feel free to use the table format. It's just the way it works for me.
I have a spreadsheet built to do all this. It's really a screen shot of that sheet from April.
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MNdriver......I came across something else that I'm having trouble figuring out. Regarding your IFTA figures, you show $300 in the annual column and $100 in the monthly column. What is the reasoning behind this. If I go with an educated guess on what MY IFTA would be per quarter, I would figure in the neighborhood of $300-$400 which would show $1600 for the year. That is just a guess based off of what the company I work for pays per quarter for it's trucks.
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on TTR...talking with others.
What I have concluded is the typical IFTA payment on the quarter is about $75-100. That is taking into account that is what you will have for a bill with just filling at the pumps as needed.
So I just plugged in a "typical number" to plan for and used it. Once there is a history, I will plug that in. -
you know what i did take into account for my approximate number is that our trucks fill up at our yard and are able to make it to CA and back without having to stop and fuel over there. and the same with happens if we happen to run into AZ or UT. so by filling at the pumps as needed, the fuel taxex owed i'm assuming will be much less like what you have shown. that makes sense now.
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I just figured that my daily average miles driven for the last 14 weeks is 550 miles.
If You haven't guessed by now, I am big on spreadsheets. I also added another catagory to my OH expenses. "Professional Fees". These cover accountants, licensing agents etc for doing their job. As a business owner, it's not our job to DO EVERYTHING. We delegate. I have been hesitant to use a licensing agent, but finally just decided I would bite the bullet on this one.
Here's also an example of a real load that's been posted on a load board. They offered it at $2500. I used the rates from above to figure the rest of it. People want to know how someone can haul for $1.35-1.40? Because they probably grasp their expenses better than some think. It's based off some real world items I am really looking at for DH and mileage and rate offered.
The $1.34 is the revenue per mile for the truck. I forgot to label the heading for it.Last edited: Jun 27, 2012
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It's been a while since I've had a chance to reply to this thread but I have run through the numbers like you described MNDriver. When I get the chance, I'll post them up here so you can double check and see if I've missed anything. So far as I can tell, this venture will work.
The one change I'm looking into is paying the driver on a percentage basis. I would think that I'll have a better working relationship with a driver if he/she makes more money if the truck makes more money. If I pay the driver by the mile, he/she wouldn't care if the truck was empty or loaded. If I pay them on a percentage basis, they will want to run loaded more often than not. If the truck is empty, IT makes no money therefore the DRIVER makes no money and I make no money. Can any of you guys shed some light on this type of payment schedule. What percentage would be reasonable to start someone at and where is that type of pay usually capped? I realize that starting pay will/should vary depending on the driver's experience. The company I work for pays by the trip so that's really the only system I'm familiar with. There will be too many variables with the company I'm looking at pulling for to pay in that manner (I really don't like that pay method anyway).
I've been researching trucks, and believe I have pretty much decided on a KW T660 with a 48" or maybe a 62" sleeper. I looked at the 38" sleepers but want the driver to have a bit more elbow room than that. It will be an '08 or newer since the truck will spend quite a bit of time in CA. The lighter the truck, the more the truck will gross so I'm hoping that a driver will be willing to run a smaller sleeper if he/she makes more money per load by doing so.
The trucks we run at the company I work for primarily use 36" flat top sleepers (with a few larger sleepers mixed in) and they are very small with zero storage space. If the truck/driver would be home most nights, I wouldn't worry about it too much and run the smallest sleeper available. BUT, while the loads are pretty much regional, many times there will be a layover involved and I believe the driver should have enough room to stretch out a bit.
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