Hybrid Dispatch Service

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  1. Tamiami

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    Thoughts on the success/failure of such an idea and whether there would be an interest in such a service?

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  4. Tamiami

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    I am looking for feedback regarding a dispatch company that is a bit different than what I’ve seen discussed on here previously. It’s a hybrid based on two business models.

    First, I understand that there are drivers/ independents who in no way, shape, or form would ever use a dispatch service. I get it and there is no need to explain that. I myself was a driver for 14 years and I totally get the thrill of the chase for a load and rate and being the only one in charge.

    But, I do believe that out of the 3.5 million drivers that there are those who have their own authority and just want to drive.

    The first business model is:

    #1 Run by truckers only. Nothing, no matter what, can beat experience.

    #2 Goes head to head with brokers for shippers.

    There is an inherent weakness in the brokerage business model and that is the fact that the overwhelming majority build in a 15-20% commission in the rate quoted the shipper. In addition, the carrier never knows the true shipping rate since the broker will try to hide it.

    The brokerage business model can be used to the advantage of the carrier using this hybrid type of dispatch service. The first part of the model eliminates the broker’s commission by 5-10%. The dispatch model charges only 10%.

    In addition, the shipping rates are not hidden. The carrier knows the base rate.

    Add on top of this that the shipper will also be paying a lower rate and it’s a win-win for both carrier and shipper.

    For example, a broker creates a quote for a shipper and comes to a base price of $3,000 for a 1000 mile run. They then add in their commission of 20%. Final quote to the shipper is $3,600. They offer it on a load board or to one of their contracted carriers at $1,800 and settle on a final payment to the carrier of $2,200.

    Using the business model I have in mind the payment to the carrier increases along with savings to the shipper. With a base price of $3,000 at a 10% commission the final quote would be $3,300. A savings of $300 for the shipper. The payout to the carrier would be $3,000. An increase in revenue of $800 to the carrier.

    The argument may be made that this is just brokering by another name. Not true, since the dispatcher is working directly for the carrier under their authority.

    The next argument may be made that a broker has access to more resources (carriers). Possibly true, but what if you are not looking to be the biggest on the block. Of the 1.2 million trucking companies in the United States there are 90% that have 6 power units or less.

    This first model is looking for contracts.


    The second business model is of course related to load boards and dealing with brokerages.

    Again, I understand the independents who will never use such a service. Got it.

    But, there are those who will and the advantage to them is:

    #1 The use of another driver’s knowledge of how load boards, lanes, and timing work.
    #2 They get to focus on what they do best and what they want to do which is drive, take care of the truck, sleep, shower, eat, catch up on the log book, load, unload, and get home.
    #3 They get to have a full time dispatcher looking for the best load based on the carrier’s requirements while they drive.
    #4 Not everyone is a good negotiator or doesn’t like to negotiate. A dispatcher who has been hired for their experience at negotiation has done this over and over.

    Critics would state that the 10% cost isn’t worth it. But, with no downtime looking for loads there is an increase in miles driven. With a decrease in paperwork, there is time saved. It should pay for itself with less work

    In addition, an experienced negotiator would increase revenues based on their skill.

    Thoughts on the success/failure of such an idea and whether there would be an interest in such a service?
     
  5. Tamiami

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    Thank goodness. The way things are can be crazy. The business model proposed eliminates the uselessness of a broker. A carrier can increase their revenue by going direct and showing the shipper what a waste the broker's services are or using the dispatcher to increase revenue via their services via increased revenue and drive time and wasted downtime.
     
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    There's a better way.
     
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  7. Tamiami

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    Thoughts on the success/failure of such an idea and whether there would be an interest in such a service?

    I am looking for feedback regarding a dispatch company that is a bit different than what I’ve seen discussed on here previously. It’s a hybrid based on two business models.

    First, I understand that there are drivers/ independents who in no way, shape, or form would I ever use a dispatch service. I get it and there is no need to explain that. I myself was a driver for 14 years and I totally get the thrill of the chase for a load and rate and being the only one in charge.

    But, I do believe that out of the 3.5 million drivers that there are those who have their own authority and just want to drive.

    The first business model for a company is:

    #1 Run by truckers only. Nothing, no matter what, can beat experience.

    #2 Goes head to head with brokers for shippers.

    There is an inherent weakness in the brokerage business model and that is the fact that the overwhelming majority of brokers build in a 15-20% commission in the rate quoted the shipper. In addition, the carrier never knows the true shipping rate since the broker will try to hide it.

    The brokerage business model can be used to the advantage of the carrier using this hybrid type of dispatch service. The first part of the model eliminates the broker’s commission by 5-10%. The dispatch model charges only 10%.

    In addition, the shipping rates are not hidden. The carrier knows the base rate.

    Add on top of this that the shipper will also be paying a lower rate and it’s a win-win for both carrier and shipper.

    For example, a broker creates a quote for a shipper and comes to a base price of $3,000 for a 1000 mile run. They then add in their commission of 20%. Final quote to the shipper is $3,600. They offer it on a load board or to one of their contracted carriers at $1,800 and settle on a final payment to the carrier of $2,200.

    Using the business model of a dispatch service the payment to the carrier increases along with savings to the shipper. With a base price of $3,000 at a 10% commission the final quote would be $3,300. A savings of $300 for the shipper. The payout to the carrier would be $3,000. An increase in revenue of $800 to the carrier.

    The argument may be made that this is just brokering by another name. Not true, since the dispatcher is working directly for the carrier under their authority.

    The next argument may be made that a broker has access to more resources (carriers). Possibly true, but what if you are not looking to be the biggest on the block. Of the 1.2 million trucking companies in the United States there are 90% that have 6 power units or less.

    This first model is looking for contracts.


    The second business model is of course related to load boards and dealing with brokerages.

    Again, I understand the independents who will never use such a service. Got it.

    But, there are those who will and the advantage to them is:

    #1 The use of another driver’s knowledge of how load boards, lanes, and timing work.
    #2 They get to focus on what they do best and what they want to do which is drive, take care of the truck, sleep, shower, eat, catch up on the log book, load, unload, and get home.
    #3 They get to have a full time dispatcher looking for the best load based on the carrier’s requirements while they drive.
    #4 Not everyone is a good negotiator or doesn’t like to negotiate. A dispatcher who has been hired for their experience at negotiation has done this over and over.

    Critics would state that the 10% cost isn’t worth it. But, with no downtime looking for loads there is an increase in miles driven. With a decrease in paperwork, there is time saved. It should pay for itself with less work

    In addition, an experienced negotiator would increase revenues based on their skill.

    Thoughts on the success/failure of such an idea and whether there would be an interest in such a service?
     
    Last edited: Jul 26, 2014
  8. DLFederal

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    Just gonna play devils advocate here, don't get mad, it's not personal...


    1. If an O/O has his own interstate operating authority and is moving freight, it's his legal right to know the total price paid; NET FROM SHIPPER. In the case where the load goes flying off a cliff, the shipper wants their goods or remuneration + value returned. What if the shipper paid 50K to the broker and the broker paid 1k to the carrier? The carrier, more likely the carriers insurance will be on the hook for the goods +50K. The information on the amount (percentage or rate) that a broker has skimmed has got to be made available to the carrier. If I was a carrier, I would feel we that acted negligently if we didn't know precisely what a shipper paid for our services.

    2. With the advent of big data, brokers will eventually (and not long from now) be obsolete. There are currently two real actual problems that stop the O/O from dominating, and those problems keep the brokers in business.

    I'll start with the secondary problem, which is a two part problem...

    -Loadboard fragmentation. The system as it is, is a highly inefficient one. Loads over here, loads over there, trucks down here, trucks & loads everywhere, "well whats the other board look like?"! The liquidity in the freight market as a whole is provided by the market makers who can spend their time communicating and confirming between the bids and the asks. That is, the people looking to buy freight capacity and those willing to provide it at a price. The difference in those prices, the bid/ask spread, is what the trucking industry calls the "broker commission". Yes, brokers are who I was referring to as market makers. Aside from the fact that at times brokers charge usurious commissions, the lack of standardized transparency is what allows it. Setting a standard fixed percentage as you've suggested, will help. But so will a database much like the stock market, where capacity is demanded, listed, bought and sold all electronically, with every market participant vetting ahead of time. That takes me to fragmentation's causal cousin...

    lack of standards,
    as in, there aren't any. As long as the freight capacity industry stays fragmented, there will always be room for this broker over here to do things one way, and a second broker down the road to do things another way. Payment terms, paperwork procedures, communication etc... All of these things really need to be standardized across the board for everyone. I'm talking about standard operating procedures in which all participants in the freight capacity business follow, or else! lmao

    And the primary problem, even more than fragmentation, is EDUCATION! You hit on a very important and very well embedded statement that pretty much defines the trucking business culture...

    #1 Run by truckers only. Nothing, no matter what, can beat experience.

    This underlined sentence is far and away the primary handicap that keeps the O/O segment and the rest of the industry, in a constant state of depression. This experience pedestal that is ingrained in truckers from day one is complete nonsense, and has probably been a leading root cause for more bankruptcies, divorces, suicides, and relapsed drug and alcohol addicts than anything else on this capitalistic little planet of ours.

    Simplified example- If a man operates a press at a factory where he presses a few buttons, waits, changes parts, then repeats... And he does this for twelve years, is he better at it than a guy whose done it for six months? Does his experience (which I'm guessing you define as years on-the-job) mean that he's more suited to be an innovator in the "factory press operator" business? Of course not! Now, I hope I'm not the first to say this, but trucking isn't rocket science. There comes a point in every trucker's career where more time on the job "trucking" does not equal any more trucking experience. That point is different for everyone, after all, trucking is a little more intricate than the factory analogy, but it is true for any industry.

    What sets O/O'ing apart from every other profession, is that they (o/o's) are in two different businesses simultaneously. They are the business managers of a service based business as well as truck drivers in the transportation industry. (hard to put in words so I hope that made sense)
    Do you know why Exec's make $$$$? Is it because they have decades in the pharma business, they've got to be a good match at a mutli-national media company? Executives and business people generally, aren't bound to specific industry because they are in their own industry... The industry of business.
    Business, as a profession, is so robust and intricate, it really is on the level of rocket science. You can continue to learn about business forever, and still cross someone who knows something you wished you knew. Execs make the money because they are resourceful in creating and accessing previously unknown resources. In plain english... "That dude knows some ####"...

    Lets make no bones on the fact that trucking has low barriers to entry. With that, and the sheer abundance of uneducated individuals in our country, the more intelligent participants will make more money, everywhere... You know, capitalism and what not. But an occurrence that is pretty unique to the trucking industry is in the economics... The more truckers that join the workforce, the more freight there is to haul. As a new trucker joins & gets an income, demand for trucks goes up by one, a truck is bought, a loan broker gets commission, a salesman as well, insurance agents, mechanics, truck-stop attendants etc... All of those people now spend more at stores that require the truck to move the freight for their now more affluent customers. It happens in other industries as well, I just can't think of any lol...

    Back to experience... If you've done something for 15 years and are mildly successful and someone could be mildly successful at it in one... you have one year of experience, 15x over. The ignorance that traps alot of O/O's is the contempt that is ingrained in them for traditionally educated people. "I hate college graduate's, they think they know it all." lmao, How many times have you heard that?

    Lets say you had $50k to invest in only one of two owner operators. One of them is 23 and just finished college, never did a days work in his life. The second guy has been driving a truck on his own for fifteen years, started after highschool. Who do you give your money to if you wanted the most money back in 36 months. Who will be more successful? Without a doubt, the college grad will wipe the floor with the guy who has no formal or professional education.

    Anywho... I've been typing for along time and I know I've steered away from the topic and your inquiry....

    Yes, what you are suggesting is brokering... Not by another name, but by the name of brokering. You are just going at it in a more ethical and transparent way where the pricing is concerned.

    If you are setting/negotiating/standardizing the rates and/or adding a percentage fee for that service, you are a broker. That is exactly what a broker does.

    Now, if you didn't quote rates to shippers but sourced loads as an internal agent, you would be doing what the office folks across the country are already doing to mitigate deadhead mileage. You know, dispatching.

    Now, you could be suggesting that the carrier (service seller) have their own broker to represent them in the sell side of the negotiations, with the carrier's best interest in mind. A Fiduciary duty so to speak. This is pretty standard in every single industry in the entire galaxy when anything with any value is sold to anyone.... Except trucking. You know why? It has a little to do with the general lack of education I was ranting about.

    As far as dispatch only, finding and booking services? Driver sets his own rate/weight/mileage profile and the dispatch keeps him busy? Those are all over the place at a flat rate per load fee or percentage, some even go so far as to charge like.... "all revenue over 2.XX/cpm"...

    With that said, yes, you can make a business like this work, with or without any and all of the options you talked about offering.

    So this rant.... I sure hope to god I didn't make any of my O/O friends upset, I really do. I watched my granddad live the lifestyle, him struggling my entire childhood. He did alright, just not as well as a good hearted man should with that amount of effort. He said to me the year before he passed, that it took him fourty-five years behind the wheel to learn just some of the things I learned in my freshman year of college. p.s. I'm into business and Finance, not typing, spelling and grammar lol
     
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    If you take the risk factor out of it then what's the point of bothering when there's no possible reward? Experience is more than just doing the same thing over and over year after year. There are guys with 30 years experience who do things inefficiently. It does take time to hone skills. A driver who drives for 15 years and never gives serious thought to nor learns anything about the markets he serves is just as handicapped as a driver with zero experience. A driver with 1 year's experience who is attentive to such things will need several years worth of experience to make mistakes, pick the wrong areas, learn the good ones etc. Not that he/she can't or won't just that he/she is far behind someone with years of experience who does those things well. Experienced truckers are a dime a dozen just like university educated individuals are. There is nothing really special about either and just because doesn't make for one or the other to be successful. Success in any business just does not happen overnight.
     
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    DLFederal

    I really appreciate a well thought out response. I don't take it personal at all. I really like a lot of your ideas. Here's to some of them:

    This is true, but how often does the carrier know the price paid by the shipper when it's brokered?

    ABSOLUTELY! How can we speed this up. Or more importantly, how can we become a part of what will make them obsolete? Look at NASDAQ. Better yet, we need a Brad Katsuyama to help set up a Trucker's IEX.

    This is what a previous boss of mine did at Comex in the copper pit at WTC4. But, how would you break the stranglehold that the largest brokers have on shippers. A shipper would prefer a contract rate set for a year or more (futures) as opposed to the spot market. Or is the idea for the spot market only or for both. Hmm...could a futures market be created for shippers and then the contracts traded?

    I'm going to skip the experience part for now. I understand your point though.

    Housing comes to mind.

    On this one I will make the argument that brokering is dependent on those authority you are working under. If I am working as an employee of a carrier under their authority, then I am doing the job they have hired me to do. Whether that be looking for shippers, finding loads, booking loads, it is a part of my job description. Maybe using the title "dispatcher" was incorrect in the semantics department. As a broker, I am working under a broker's authority and am not working exclusively for a specific carrier.


    All in all I like where you're coming from and would like to hear more.

    Thanks
     
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    Rollin

    It's a pleasure to be able to respond to you. Before I made my first post I read quite a few of yours and have really liked them.

    As I responded to DLFederal, the original post really didn't focus on experience. It was just mentioned as part of a business model that would hire experienced truckers. This was made a part of the business model for two reasons. First, as a trucker myself, I much prefer to deal with current or former truckers since there is a mutual level of understanding. Second, and still somewhat in the same vein, there are many, many people who have been hired by brokers who should not touch a phone.

    True experience, I went to the local offices of both CH Robinson and PLS. At PLS there were about 100 college age people sitting at tables staring blankly at computer screens and doing nothing. In their shorts and flip flops while texting on their smartphones was pretty much par for the course. If their rate of pay is based on commission then the majority will soon be unemployed. At CH the scene was pretty much the same. I'm not knocking their work habits, mode of dress, or anything else. Just telling it like it is. But, when on the road and having issues, this is the last type of person I want to be dealing with.

    As an aside, I have a friend who got hired by PLS in another of their offices and the first thing out of their mouth was how they were trained to lie. Such a shame.

    Finally

    Low risk and high reward is an art form and worth the bother. Anything else would be gambling?

    Thanks again and like I said before, I really enjoy reading your posts.
     
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