Wiring for a linear amp..

Discussion in 'CB Radio Forum' started by ArkansasOutsider, Oct 17, 2014.

  1. ArkansasOutsider

    ArkansasOutsider Bobtail Member

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    Hello all. New guy here. First post so please bear with me.

    Im a local grain hauler driving for a small elevator in eastern Arkansas. The boss pretty much lets us do what we want with our radio systems as long as its not going to damage the truck.
    My current system is a General Lee HP swinging about 58 watts on high, the low side is set up to drive a Galaxy 225 linear amp which swings almost 250 on high, 18' RG-8X coax, matching 3' jumper, and a brand new 10" base Wilson 2000 antenna.
    Through a fellow driver, I have recently acquired a Palomar 600 Elite linear amp. (please save the love/hate stories, heard enough to make me sick). The amp was completely rebuilt and then stored a couple years ago. I took it to my tech (same guy that rebuilt it) who tested it and it's still a kickin', screamin' 600 with no troubles at all from the switches to the new power leads. Which brings me to my question.
    Picture if you will. Two 12 gauge positive leads, and one 10 gauge negative, all stranded, tin coated copper. (Warning: it's about to get confusing) Both positive leads have a 30 amp in-line fuse. However, the tech told me himself that at full power this amp can draw nearly 40 amps.. ?? And THEN I talked to my brother, an electrician, about it and he tells me the 12 gauge hot leads will only handle about 20 amps. I'm thinking to myself "Surely my tech knows what is needed to make this amp perform correctly."
    Lastly, I'm well aware the power leads have to draw directly from the batteries, but does anyone have a suggestion as to the best wire to use? Another driver I know powers his amp with household wire for wall sockets and says he has no trouble, and offered some leftover 10/3 Romex since I need 3 wires and will need heavier wire for the power demand. Any OTHER suggestions? Just want to gather as much information as possible before I start removing dash panels. LoL.!
    Thanks to everyone. Outsider 10-10.
     
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  3. Hyweighman

    Hyweighman Medium Load Member

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    For my heat. I used welding cables because they are flexable. Your brother is about wiring bUT that's at 120volts. So at 12v you need a larger gauge wire.
     
  4. hayseed

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    Outsider,

    You are gonna get a thousand opinions on what to use. The first thing is to NOT use household wiring. While it may work, it is not what you need. I have just rewired everything on my truck to run a Texas Star sweet 16 and used High strand 0 gauge wire. Like HYweighman stated, 12v needs largerer diam. wire. Think of it this way: Small wire may fire it up and let it work, but you won't get all the voltage available. The larger the wire the easier the voltage moves. If your amp can't draw enough volts because the wire is too small, you won't be getting the most from the amp.
    Good luck with the wiring. I found the cheapest place to buy the wire is Ebay. BUT shop it and read the fine print so you get what you actually are wanting and not some cheap wire. Good site to study if you really are serious and want to have a better set up is: http://www.k0bg.com/

    Good luck and take your time.
     
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  5. ArkansasOutsider

    ArkansasOutsider Bobtail Member

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    Thanks for the help. Appreciate the information.
    One thing.. These new power leads are soldered to the circuit board inside and bundled through a plastic grommet in the back of the case hanging out about another 8 inches with the in line fuses. Should those be sized up? Or can they be simply connected to larger wires from the batteries?
     
  6. 062

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    Mostly depends on length of run from batt. I wouldn't go smaller than 4ga keep ground short as possible. Hit up google several sites that give max amp capacity for length
     
  7. mike5511

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    The wires coming out of the amp are fine. (probably no more than 12 inches long?) If you hooked them directly to the battery you would be O.K. But you can't do that so you need a larger diameter wire to get the power to the amp. I used 6 gauge trolling motor wire like they use in a Ranger boat to power my Texas Star 667V. Hayseed has a awesome set up so what he tells you is good advice........Texas Star Sweet 16....thats 1600 of those watt things!!!!! That is indeed impressive!! (your alternator will want to kick you in the groin though...lol)
     
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  8. Ridgeline

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    I second hayseed's and 062's post, you can go as small as 4 gage wire, 0 is good too but 4 is what you need for 600 watts.

    The thing to think about is what hayseed said, "Small wire may fire it up and let it work, but you won't get all the voltage available." so you understand this, I tell the people I help get ham licenses that they need to think about it like a power washer, a 20 feet hose and a water spigot. The power washer needs a good flow of water at a good pressure so you turn the spigot on full to get it the water but if you have a small hose, the water is restricted, the flow is small and the power washer doesn't do its job.

    So with a water hose say the diameter of a pencil, you don't get the water it needs but with one the diameter of a magik marker, you get plenty of water. Wiring works the same way with electricity, the larger diameter of wire, the better current flow and less voltage drop for the amount of length from the power to the unit you have.

    As for using romex, or household wiring, never ever use that in a truck, or a car for that matter. It is solid copper which is not meant to be moved once in place. The wire itself can break, but worst the insulation can rub off and cause a fire, the plastic will burn to the point you can lose your truck. This goes for any and all solid conductor wiring, do not use it. I've seen someone's custom Western Star burn to the ground, the guy just put his stereo system in the thing a week before and used solid wire without fusing the front end of the power (that is fusing at the batter connection >>>> another thing to do no matter what) so the insulation rubbed off under the floor mat and he didn't even know it was burning until he stopped at a light. Poof! all gone.
     
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  9. Powder Joints

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    40 amp I would run 10 gauge, copper stranded, fuse it within 6 inches of the battery, and remember the negitive has to be just as large as the positive leads.
     
  10. Outlaw CB

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    You did not state the length of wire you are going to use but assuming not much longer than 6 feet 8 Ga will handle 65 amperes, 6 Ga 95 amperes, 4 Ga 125 amperes, assuming a maximum wire temperature of 80 degrees C. For Hayseed his DX1600 is rated 100 watts in at 125 amperes yielding 1,600 watts out. For a DX667V figure roughly 65 amperes at rated output. Yours will likely be in the 60 ampere area at maximum output. Meaning 8 Ga will just barely suffice but will be hot if you are driving it hard for extended periods, 6 Ga gives you some headroom (especially if your wire run is a bit longer). 4 Ga would be overkill for you although fairly mandatory for Hayseeds Sweet 16 (though he is at the edge considering maximum output). Since he would only intermittently ever reach that output his setup fares well. For a good lifetime and reliability it should be kept to a maximum of 900 watts which I have no doubt he does.

    However we are answering your question so I would say depending on how you run your setup 8 Ga will just barely suffice for an average run to the battery, 6 Ga is a far better choice, 4 Ga is really overkill in your situation. Unless you are unsure if you are ever going to run an amp like Hayseeds and wish to do an installation which will be good for future changes. As was mentioned keep both wires equal size and never ever run to the battery unless you have a fuse within 4 to 6 inches of the positive post, usually 5 or 10 amperes larger than the fuse at the amplifier. Imagine you are turned over on your side in a wreck, unconscious, with fuel leaking. The last thing you want to occur is a wire pinched to the chassis or body glowing white hot from there to the battery. Meaning always prepare for the worst case which says if the wire ever shorts you want power to disconnect at the battery. Obviously this also means use a fuse, never use a self resetting breaker and never trust a manual reset breaker. If in an emergency you need the circuit to blow, you want it to stay that way until you are having a better day.
     
  11. kor b

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    Did you say you have two power and one negative leads out the back of the amp?
     
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