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    If CR England is SO BAD! Then Why?

    If Cr England is so bad then why are there only four complaints against their school in the BBB within the last thirty six months?



    http://www.bbb.org/northernindiana/b...or-in-90016042

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    BBB is obsolete...........

    Most folks do NOT use it anymore !!!

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    The BBB is the only source to find out weather or not people are actually telling the truth about things or not. They actually handle complaints and people who do not use them are probably not pissed off enough about something.

    I don't think that they are obsolete at all. If they were, then why do they have a website?

    So now we have people who allow a company to screw them in the arse and they don't file a legal complaint form against the company?

    Sorry but it does not make alot of sense to me.
    There are more complaints against credit card companies in the last 36 months than there are about CR England and I am sorry but they probably have the same or near the same amount of customers.

    If someone is screwing you over and you do not report it to the BBB then you are accepting the fact that they have given it to you up the arse.

    I also want to note that if you are on this forum complaining and moaning then you are not out there driving and there is a reason for that.

    I'm not jumping on any band wagon. I am going out to CR England and when I figure out what is up I will say something.

    However I am going to give them a fair chance from an objective stand point.
    I don't appreciate all the finger pointing. I remember when you all did it to werner and swift and now suddenly they are golden for some reason.

    I'm sorry I do remember the days when you all made jokes about werner... and schnieder, jb hunt ect... now suddenly you think that they are good companies.

    Makes no sense to me.

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    Ps I also remember when everyone said CR england was a good company.

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    It seems you have made up your mind. Just be sure to keep everyone informed, good or bad, and don't drop off the face of the earth like the 100's that ignored advice, never to be heard from again after a few weeks.

    As far as the BBB is concerned, England takes care of their customers, it's the majority of their drivers they treat like poop according to the 1000's of post here and all over the web.

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    May your tatoo come true..............

    Good Luck !!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by fawne View Post
    If Cr England is so bad then why are there only four complaints against their school in the BBB within the last thirty six months?

    http://www.bbb.org/northernindiana/b...or-in-90016042
    Perhaps because people who have actually made complaints to the BBB have found out just how useless they really are. They sell their membership to their "members" as an advertising gimmick for those businesses.

    Quote Originally Posted by fawne View Post
    The BBB is the only source to find out weather or not people are actually telling the truth about things or not. They actually handle complaints and people who do not use them are probably not pissed off enough about something.
    Not exactly correct. Yes, you can check the BBB website for what complaints have been filed against any company. However, those complaints "drop off" after a year. And as far as them "handling" complaints, they will forward the complaint to the company. Then the company has a chance to respond. If the company does not agree with the complainant, then the BBB sends the complainant a nice letter or email, explaining that "nothing can be done."
    I don't think that they are obsolete at all. If they were, then why do they have a website?
    It is never obsolete to make money by providing a phony service. And they actually do sort of provide a service. If you check out some business and see a LOT of complaints, then you should have enough sense to go elsewhere. And since the majority of businesses are not BBB members, they really don't even try to accommodate you.
    So now we have people who allow a company to screw them in the arse and they don't file a legal complaint form against the company?
    Filing a complaint with BBB is NOT filing a legal complaint. If you want to file a legal complaint, you go to some type of government agency, such as law enforcement, or a licensing agency or the Federal Trade Commission. That type of thing where you might actually SEE some action taken, or at least the situation investigated.
    Sorry but it does not make alot of sense to me.
    There are more complaints against credit card companies in the last 36 months than there are about CR England and I am sorry but they probably have the same or near the same amount of customers.
    You are talking apples vs oranges here.
    If someone is screwing you over and you do not report it to the BBB then you are accepting the fact that they have given it to you up the arse.
    You have a totally misinformed opinion of what the BBB is all about.
    I also want to note that if you are on this forum complaining and moaning then you are not out there driving and there is a reason for that.
    Hey sunshine, even truck driver's get a break. They have a chance to relax and do what they want, including posting on this forum.
    I'm not jumping on any band wagon. I am going out to CR England and when I figure out what is up I will say something.
    Obviously you certainly have either jumped on a band wagon, or perhaps made your own band wagon here. And that is fine. The purpose of these forums are for folks to state their opinion.

    Just don't get your panties in a wad if you happen to disagree with what has been posted.
    However I am going to give them a fair chance from an objective stand point.
    Hey, more power to you. And I hope that everyone else here is wrong and that things go really well for you. I sincerely mean that!
    I don't appreciate all the finger pointing. I remember when you all did it to werner and swift and now suddenly they are golden for some reason.

    I'm sorry I do remember the days when you all made jokes about werner... and schnieder, jb hunt ect... now suddenly you think that they are good companies.

    Makes no sense to me.
    Well, if you really "don't appreciate all the finger pointing," there is no law saying you have to be here. But we (at least for the most part,) really do try to tell it like it is from what we have either experienced or witnessed.

    And I can't imagine where you suddenly get the idea th Werner is any thing golden. Various shades of brown perhaps, but certainly not golden. As to SWIFT, yes we have some members who seem to be having some good experiences at SWIFT right now.

    Do you suppose, by ANY remote chance, that some of the problems with SWIFT that have been brought to light on this forum, have been looked at by SWIFT management? Do you think there is just an outside chance that just maybe this forum has made a difference in the operation of this company?

    I really don't know, but I sincerely hope so.

    Quote Originally Posted by fawne View Post
    Ps I also remember when everyone said CR england was a good company.
    I too remember when CRE was supposed to be a great company to work for. It was one of the highly recommended companies when I went to school. Unfortunately, things change. As time goes on, management and ownership changes, companies change the way they do business in an attempt to increase their profits, or in some cases out of necessity just to stay in business. But the only thing certain in the business world, or that that matter in anything in the world is change.

    Fawne I really do wish you the best of luck in whatever you do. But keep in mind that the experiences that are talked about here have happened to an awful lot of people.

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    The BBB is nothing but a money collecting organization with very little power to actually do much of anything.

    Before I sold my restoration shop, I was hit up by the BBB what seemed like every quarter to join them. The only advantage to being in the BBB is getting that free Breakfast once a month than you actually paid for with your BBB dues & fees.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Big Don View Post
    Perhaps because people who have actually made complaints to the BBB have found out just how useless they really are. They sell their membership to their "members" as an advertising gimmick for those businesses.



    Not exactly correct. Yes, you can check the BBB website for what complaints have been filed against any company. However, those complaints "drop off" after a year.
    actually if they dropped off after a year they would not hold a record for 36 months.
    And as far as them "handling" complaints, they will forward the complaint to the company. Then the company has a chance to respond. If the company does not agree with the complainant, then the BBB sends the complainant a nice letter or email, explaining that "nothing can be done."
    have you used the bbb before? I have and I have never recieved that before. I actually get results when I use the BBB.


    It is never obsolete to make money by providing a phony service. And they actually do sort of provide a service.
    The BBB is not making money from people by providing a phony service. They do not charge people for making complaints to them.
    Have you ever used them before?
    If you check out some business and see a LOT of complaints, then you should have enough sense to go elsewhere. And since the majority of businesses are not BBB members, they really don't even try to accommodate you.
    They don't have to be BBB members to have complaints filed against them. Nor do they have to be BBB members to resolve complaints. BBB actually supports any court judgment on your behalf. It actually shows that you attempted to resolve a problem with the company through a third party moderator.


    Filing a complaint with BBB is NOT filing a legal complaint. If you want to file a legal complaint, you go to some type of government agency, such as law enforcement, or a licensing agency or the Federal Trade Commission. That type of thing where you might actually SEE some action taken, or at least the situation investigated.
    The BBB is your first stop before filing legal action against someone. It actually does get you results and it actually supports any legal claim that you have against any company whatsoever. The court actually recognizes the BBB as a third party moderator in complaints.


    You are talking apples vs oranges here.
    No that is a blanket statement.

    You have a totally misinformed opinion of what the BBB is all about.
    No I do not because I have actually used the BBB. It sounds like you have not, but I could be wrong.

    Hey sunshine, even truck driver's get a break. They have a chance to relax and do what they want, including posting on this forum.
    maybe they do, but I don't see alot of them on here all of the time posting things to their friends while they are out on the road. I do however see a bunch of people with the words "looking for work" in their profiles here. Moaning and whining because they can not commit to one company or the other.

    Obviously you certainly have either jumped on a band wagon, or perhaps made your own band wagon here. And that is fine. The purpose of these forums are for folks to state their opinion.
    I don't have a band wagon. I simply say what I see. You don't have to agree with me. I don't care one way or the other. However if you are going to moan, perhaps you should be working.

    Just don't get your panties in a wad if you happen to disagree with what has been posted.
    Just like you, don't get your panties in a wad if you don't like what i have to say.


    Hey, more power to you. And I hope that everyone else here is wrong and that things go really well for you. I sincerely mean that!
    If you sincerily mean that then you will accept what I have to say after I go to England and see what is up with that company instead of floating around pretending to actually know yourself.


    Well, if you really "don't appreciate all the finger pointing," there is no law saying you have to be here. But we (at least for the most part,) really do try to tell it like it is from what we have either experienced or witnessed.
    Most of the complaints that I have seen from people regarding CR England are due to people who have worked for them a short period of time, or people who were kicked out of their school.. or simply people who's brother's uncle's couzin worked for them... and did not make it.

    If you are a driver who ACTUALLY has something to say about the company who has put it more than 3 months without quitting please contact me so that I can hear your opinon. fawne@mail.com

    And I can't imagine where you suddenly get the idea th Werner is any thing golden. Various shades of brown perhaps, but certainly not golden. As to SWIFT, yes we have some members who seem to be having some good experiences at SWIFT right now.
    I so happen to read about fifty percent of posts regarding certain companies, swift, werner and I do go through things on this forum. I do not know how much you actually read but i have spent days on here before going to school so that I can figure out if I am making the right or wrong choice.

    Do you suppose, by ANY remote chance, that some of the problems with SWIFT that have been brought to light on this forum, have been looked at by SWIFT management? Do you think there is just an outside chance that just maybe this forum has made a difference in the operation of this company?
    No I don't think that this forum has had anything to do with the operation of that company.
    Nor do I believe in Santa Clause. Nor do I believe that some fairy is coming in here and pretending to be a driver when they are actually a recruiter. I think that alot of people make things up and join up to moan about one thing or another and they do a heck of alot of guessing.


    I really don't know, but I sincerely hope so.



    I too remember when CRE was supposed to be a great company to work for. It was one of the highly recommended companies when I went to school. Unfortunately, things change. As time goes on, management and ownership changes, companies change the way they do business in an attempt to increase their profits, or in some cases out of necessity just to stay in business. But the only thing certain in the business world, or that that matter in anything in the world is change.
    Yes I agree with you however I have to note that I am not certain anyone with the idea that they should be an owner operator with no exp in trucking should be signing a lease program. If they do.. they are nuts. It is a pipe dream, and I don't want to do it.

    Fawne I really do wish you the best of luck in whatever you do. But keep in mind that the experiences that are talked about here have happened to an awful lot of people.
    I really do wish you the best of luck also but I should note that all of the trucking companies taking on people who have pipe dreams are the same as each other. I've been screwed by one company already. I am a gypsy I have nothing to lose so lets go for the gold and if there is only silver what the hell atleast I've tried. I have no intentions of signing for a loan with this company.

    I have the money for the training. They are either going to put me through it and give me a trucking job or they are going to send me home. I am not buying their truck I am going to drive for them.

    If they are honest they will give me a position. If they are not I am going home.
    Lets get realistic here. Some of us do actually have brains.
    I could be working at McDonalds.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fawne View Post
    Ps I also remember when everyone said CR england was a good company.

    They used to be a good company...Long before most of todays drivers were born!

    I don't understand where you got that Werner, Swift and some of these other bottom feeders were considered good companies by anyone...They are among the most hated companies out there.

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