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    Quote Originally Posted by Jfaulk99 View Post
    Doesn't look unsafe to me. The only part that's scary to me is the fact it's sitting on a TransCrack trailer.
    We had some transcraft that we hauled coils on for 10 years. One of the crane operators moved mine one night and tried to run over a concrete post with it. Almost tore the tandems out from under it. Other than that I never had a problem with it. {we pulled the same trailer all the time}


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    Quote Originally Posted by oldedge View Post
    You posted correctly. Now read the part you posted that says"If timbers,chocks or wedges are used they must be held in place by coil bunks to keep them from coming loose" It says nothing about friction mats. Friction mats are rated at 50% of the weight placed on them but I find no rating on coil racks. Were do you find this?You are correct in that when you tighten a binder it puts more force on that side,however by the time you pull out of a yard I am sure it will even up from vibration By the way I'm glad you have trailers that have the anchor points labeled. I called Great Dane about anchor points ratings and they wouldn't even tell me what the chain pull ups were rated at.

    The coil racks was from the Alabama state coil certification test.

    The friction mats under a coil cradle is based on the " general cargo securement" section. Specifically "low friction" cargo securement. Per Alabama DOT.

    Steel coil racks on an aluminum trailer are considered low friction.

    I never argue with some one with a badge and gun.

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    I took the ala test and I don't remember anything about coil rack ratings on it. Coils have there on securement rules. You don't go by the general securement rules unless the coils are under a certain weight,I think it is 5000 lds If you use the general rules then you have to have a chain every 5 feet. where are you going to put it?

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    Oh, if you are running in ala, I feel for you. They are one reason I retired when I did.

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    P.P.S I started running friction mats 17 years ago. I like them. I've seen too many coils move {not mine,Other people"s}

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    Quote Originally Posted by Espressolane View Post
    Some is just my personal standards, others are the regs.

    As to the friction mats, check 393.106(c) (1)


    Cargo placement and restraint.
    1. Articles of cargo that are likely to roll must be restrained by chocks, wedges, a cradle or other equivalent means to prevent rolling. The means of preventing rolling must not be capable of becoming unintentionally unfastened or loose while the vehicle is in transit.
    Also check 393.120 (c)(1)(i)


    Securement of coils transported with eyes crosswise on a flatbed vehicle, in a sided vehicle or intermodal container with anchor points (1) An individual coil. Each coil must be secured by the following:
    1. A means (e.g., timbers, chocks or wedges, a cradle, etc.) to prevent the coil from rolling. The means of preventing rolling must support the coil off the deck, and must not be capable of becoming unintentionally unfastened or loose while the vehicle is in transit. If timbers, chocks or wedges are used, they must be held in place by coil bunks or similar devices to prevent them from coming loose. The use of nailed blocking or cleats as the sole means to secure timbers, chocks or wedges, or a nailed wood cradle, is prohibited;

    My interpretation of this is, the coil racks (bunks) need to be secured from movement. The choices are as I posted above.


    No ratings on anchor points, True, no specific FMCSA rule on this.
    They do state that they encourage manufacturers to rate anchor points
    On the trailers we pull, the do have decals from the MFG, with load ratings for anchor points. The rub rail is not a rated anchor point.

    I am willing to bet if you contact the MFG of a trailer, they will also tell you the rub rail is not a rated anchor point.

    Coil racks and friction mats unless specifically marked, are rated at 50% of the weight placed upon them.

    I have Kinedyne coil racks, they have no markings for load rating. So at 50%, that would require 4 racks to equal 20K or half the load weight.

    Having all binders on one side, No rule for this except for physics.
    As stated, the clamping force is highest on the side with the tensioner device. With the binders all one one side, the highest clamping force is on one side. My personal choice, better to have the clamping force equal or as close to it as possible, on each side.

    Then it could be just semantics.
    These rules you stated are basically for vans. As a steel hauler you should know how to chain a coil down properly. The friction or cleats are basically for skidded coils in a van. I've never run a friction mat. If you chain the coil down correctly it won't move!

    You are right about the coil being chained down wrong. No chain should be on the outside of the rail incase of side impact. You can get a ticket for a load chained down that way.

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    First off i don't remember the full weight of the coil i was estmating it by looking how many chains used. It could have been between 20-40 lbs. I did not use friction mats when i started hauling flatbed years ago. I have used mats from time to time. I don't see how the hooks on the rub rail are wrong. The chain is not on the outside of the rub rail. We chain lots of loads to the rub rail. Have not had any problems with loads moving.

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    Quote Originally Posted by oldedge View Post
    Johnday I tried to guote your post but it wouldn't let me. If you look at the pic there is a metal bar behind the coil. you move it against the coil and drop the pins in the holes. there is a bar in front also. With nthis set up you don't have to chain. But it is an expensive trailer
    has anyone on here ever ran one of these coil trailers?

    and did you chain down the coils.

    I cannot imagine the DOT liking it if you do not chain them down.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dieseldon View Post
    I did not use friction mats when i started hauling flatbed years ago. I have used mats from time to time. I don't see how the hooks on the rub rail are wrong. The chain is not on the outside of the rub rail. We chain lots of loads to the rub rail. Have not had any problems with loads moving.

    Friction mats are for vans cause there is no way to provide enough tie downs to properly hold the cargo. The reason the hooks are wrong is because they are attached to the rub rail. They should wrap the pocket or spool and hook back to the chain. But alot of times that is not possible because you dont have room to attach a binder. In that case you have to do it the way you have it with the exception I would never hook 2 chains to the same pocket.
    The rule as far as I understand is you need the weight in working load. If the chain goes over, through or around the load and back to the trailer it counts as 2 so a 5400lb WLL would be worth 10800 as when hauling coils. Remember the chains usually are not the weak link the tie downs are. the accidents I've seen or heard about 1st hand they all siad the chains held ripped the pocket/chain tie/spool right out the trailer. Jhooks rip the floor out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by johnday View Post
    To me, that guy looks like he'd be overweight, at least on the drives. I know it depends on how much those coils weigh. Would that be the correct way? But then again, who'd notice with that covered wagon? Other than the scale house? I see he still has quite a camber on that wagon.

    Just noticed, that back coil isn't secured!!!
    It's not overweight, it's a permit load so while it's over 80k he's still legal.

    Quote Originally Posted by oldedge View Post
    those coils may be aluminum. If the guy in the pic with the coil on the catwalk had 2 that size on he was at least 30,000 lbs over weight. That is at least a 40000 lb coil. He may have set new racks up on the trailer just waiting for the crane to arrive. You can see one of his timbers at an angle between the coil and the trailer
    Their steel, not aluminum.

    Quote Originally Posted by DL550CAT View Post
    Probably over on the drives. I load the trailer form center actually a foot to the rear of center. If the rear coil is say 10 stake pockets to the rear the front would be 10 to the front. If you had a 30k coil and a 15k the 30 would be twice as far to the rear as the 15 would be to the front if that makes sense.
    I would guess he just didn't get to tying the rear coil down when the phot was taken.
    He was waiting to back in and unload.

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