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Local driver that crosses state lines logging question.

Discussion in 'Experienced Truckers' Advice' started by BigJDub, Jul 26, 2011.

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  1. Jul 26, 2011 #1
    BigJDub

    BigJDub Light Load Member

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    I just want to double check what I'm being told by other drivers at my new job for DOT compliance.

    I have 4 years OTR but now I'm running a local job where I'm out for 10 or 12 HOURS at a time (so far) and the way they are logging is different then what I'm used to.

    *I'm based in CA but go to OR during my work day then return to CA
    *I'm averaging 250-350 miles a day (so far as I have worked here)
    *I'm paid hourly
    *I drop off AND pick up in OR (if that matters).

    What I'm told is as long as I don't leave the yard for over 12 hours at a time I can go from line 1 (off duty) to line 4 (on duty); stay on line 4 until I return to the yard then go back to line 1 when I return to the yard. If I stay out more then 12 hours then I need to log like I did when OTR and account for every stop.

    These people are not filling out the recap on the side, only writing in their total hours for the day and leaving the other spaces blank. The average total hours seems to be around 50-60hours per Monday- Friday and sometimes Saturday week per driver.

    I have been told that I need to flag a "lunch" at the time of one of my middle stops (fuel, delivery, or pickup) and that is it. When starting out I flag my location (city, state, company yard, pre trip VI), and when I finish my day its the same (but post trip VI).

    Am I ok doing this? Any advice would be great. I'm looking to stay TOTALLY LEGAL on my logs.
     
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  3. Jul 26, 2011 #2
    tomence

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    How many miles do you drive one way. As far as i know if you drive more than 100 miles one way you should log it just like you did when driving OTR.
     
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  4. Jul 26, 2011 #3
    lostNfound

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    You are thinking of SHORT-HAUL OPERATIONS which is based on a 100 air-mile radius. It doesn't matter how many miles are driven within that operating range.
     
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  5. Jul 26, 2011 #4
    lostNfound

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    IF the SHORT-HAUL OPERATIONS rules (as posted above) apply to your situation and the carrier does not want to maintain time records for your driving, then these rules would be applicable.
     
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  7. Jul 26, 2011 #5
    BigJDub

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    I do seem to fall under the short haul definition. My farthest pickup is about 120 miles from the yard but its a very curvy mountain road (hwy 199 from Crescent City CA to Grants Pass OR then up I5 a little stretch) that you can't hardly do 55 in most spots. so I'm sure it falls under the 100 air mile rule.

    My company has me punch a clock when I get to the yard and then keep a log book of actual time in the truck. Aside from a quick unload in the yard all I do is hook and go from there.

    This is a company that has been around for a long time and from what I understand they have a good relationship with the state cops in the area. So I'm sure their on the up and up but I just needed to know for sure.

    Thanks everyone!!
     
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  8. Jul 27, 2011 #6
    lostNfound

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  9. Jul 27, 2011 #7
    L.L.

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    As I understood, if you are driving interstate, you must maintain logs. The best authority on the subject would be either CHP or DOT. They will also show you the proper way of filling in the logbook.
     
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  10. Jul 27, 2011 #8
    crzyjarmans

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    the 100 mile ratios I believe you also cant leave the state, could be wrong though, when I drove local, we logged differently also, everything on line 4 and in the remarks we wrote how many hours we drove (NV), when leaveing the state we had to go back to normal logging
     
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  11. Jul 27, 2011 #9
    otherhalftw

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    You are driving Interstate freight....freight from one state to a different state....the 100 air mile radius does not cover Interstate goods. Only the LTL type loads that get cross docked and transferred to a local truck can use the short-haul rules.

    Here is a question to ask regarding your "do not leave the yard for your 12 hours". Are you sleeping in a sleeper berth in the truck or are you going home? If you are sleeping in your truck then you need to go to Line 2 for your 10 hour breaks...if you are leaving and sleeping in another location then that would be Line 1 Off Duty, to be by the letter correct.

    You cannot just flip back and forth from Interstate rules and local short-haul rules. In order to get onto short-haul rules there needs to be a 34 hour restart on your log to run this 100 mile rule. Even the "local" trucks who pick up a trailer (loaded in another State) that do not leave the State and remain in the 100 mile rule...must use Interstate rules when delivering the Interstate freight....if the freight was not cross docked and unloaded from the Interstate unit.
     
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  12. Jul 28, 2011 #10
    BigJDub

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    Ok, I guess a little more info might be needed.

    I pick up a pre-loaded trailer in my yard in CA (loaded with product from CA)
    I take it to OR and live unload
    Then take empty trailer to another OR location for reload
    Return to my yard in CA where they use the product I bring back. (A sister company of the one I drive for on the same property as my yard)

    I run a day cab and I'm at my house in my bed every night.
     
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