My company has a habit of requesting that the drivers correct errors made on log books. Instead of making corrections on the actual log that was turned in, they want you to completely redo the daily log. Can they do this? I try not to make any errors but sometimes it happens. I just hate to get a photo copy of a log that is a month old and have to try to redo the whole thing. Thanks........
Correcting log book violations
Discussion in 'Experienced Truckers' Advice' started by cricketsman05, Oct 10, 2007.
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I don't know if they can do this or not legally, but my company does the same thing. I've even heard of them calling drivers to Eagan and having them redo 90 days of logs...now THAT is a joke. I can see having 1 or 2 logs that I need to correct, but 3 months worth? Just another game that companies play, IMO.
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Yes they can request a corrected log. You have to follow the rules for doing it...but I'm sure they do. I've even caught a SNAFU myself and sent a correction in.
Take everything else in this post with a grain of salt.
Advise, tell them it's correct...be done with it. Unless you really want to do it. You signed it, it's a done deal. They either live with it, or not.
Bottom Line: You signed it stating that it was true and accurate to the best of your knowledge. It may be wrong, but that isn't your concern. Unless it's within the past 30 days, and you're being inspected by a "Fed".
After that, it's all on your company. Unless you get involved in a fatality accident, and lawyers start asking for old logs. Then your screwed if it involves HOS violations.
Resubmitting MORE than 2 days, is total BS, and grounds for me to find a new job. -
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I went through the FMCSR again and tried to see if this was legal or not. The only place I found that might be used to say no is the section §395.8 (h) (5) (i) Filing Driver's Record Of Duty Status. It says "The driver shall submit or forward by mail the ORIGINAL driver's record of duty status to the regular employing motor carrier within 13 days following the completion of the form". You could say that a redone log sheet is not the original but I did not see anywhere in the regs where it stated how to fix mistakes. The only other part is where it says it must be in the drivers handwriting and must be legible.
I always drew a single line through the mistake and initialed the correction. If I were you I'd show the reg to the company and ask their interpretation of the reg. But I think they'll say that's their policy and you're fighting a losing battle. But it's worth a try if you do it when no one is debating the subject. -
All the company is trying to do here is to cover their backside with the inspectors. If they are trying to get you to "correct" your logs, then they are probably also trying to get you to make "creative" logs to begin with.
It sure doesn't sound good to me.
OBTW, if I am wrong about this, somebody please let me know. I once worked for an outfit that required you to "correct" your logs. They also wanted you to run illegal, but turn in legal logs. That's not the way I drive. . . -
I was told any decision to run illegal is up to the driver, but that isn't entirely true. -
So, my question is this: when logging, do you indicate somewhere which time zone you're logging to? Do you write on each log somewhere: CST or PST (or whatever is appropriate)? -
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You are right, Com-data is headquartered in Knoxville and the home office of Pilot is there as well. Knoxville is about 40 miles inside the Eastern time zone. Every time I fueled in the Eastern time zone, the computer threw out a violation, they stopped calling me in on it.
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